From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Info tutorial is out of date Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:01:32 +0300 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1153162979 22697 80.91.229.2 (17 Jul 2006 19:02:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:02:59 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 17 21:02:55 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2YLp-0006YG-4i for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:01:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2YLo-0007Et-Kw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:01:52 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G2YLY-0007Dh-ER for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:01:36 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G2YLU-0007Bc-70 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:01:35 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2YLT-0007BZ-UW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:01:31 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.114.186.66] (helo=romy.inter.net.il) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G2YOC-0005jO-Ey for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:04:20 -0400 Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 (IGLD-80-230-38-68.inter.net.il [80.230.38.68]) by romy.inter.net.il (MOS 3.7.3-GA) with ESMTP id FHD66179 (AUTH halo1); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:01:29 +0300 (IDT) Original-To: "Drew Adams" In-reply-to: X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:57214 Archived-At: > From: "Drew Adams" > Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:37:57 -0700 > > Emacs Info is too close to the standalone Info to justify two > separate manuals > > Today. But that closeness is artificial. No, it's deliberate: the Founding Fathers wanted to make sure it would be possible to learn _an_ Info reader and use any of these two based on that knowledge. > I see no reason why we can't have two versions of the tutorial. One reason is that it's not easy to present the right one to the user based on her reader. Remember: learning Info is a bootstrap-kind of problem--you learn to use a tool by using that same tool. If we don't make the beginning of the bootstrap 110% reliable (which includes showing the right manual), the results will be catastrophic.