From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs-devel Digest, Vol 52, Issue 61 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 23:52:22 +0300 Message-ID: References: <20080607125159.8A74F9F05B4@grelber.thyrsus.com> <20080607132037.GA21979@thyrsus.com> <20080607195544.GE1420@thyrsus.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1212871993 22120 80.91.229.12 (7 Jun 2008 20:53:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 20:53:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: esr@thyrsus.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 07 22:53:55 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1K55Q9-0002kp-A7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 07 Jun 2008 22:53:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56319 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K55PA-0001EX-PK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 07 Jun 2008 16:52:52 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K55Om-00016U-Gs for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jun 2008 16:52:28 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K55Oj-000166-Ak for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jun 2008 16:52:27 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=39742 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K55Oj-000161-61 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jun 2008 16:52:25 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout5.012.net.il ([84.95.2.13]:22989) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K55Oi-0004cO-Rg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jun 2008 16:52:25 -0400 Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([80.230.28.131]) by i_mtaout5.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) with ESMTPA id <0K2400BHL2O8GHW0@i_mtaout5.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Jun 2008 00:07:21 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <20080607195544.GE1420@thyrsus.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 9.1 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:98624 Archived-At: > Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 15:55:44 -0400 > From: "Eric S. Raymond" > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > The real problem here isn't technical, it's cultural. This crew is way > too used to rusty, broken, archaic tools like CVS and the high hassle > costs that go with them. Until that changes, fixing the mess will > be theoretically conceivable but politically impossible. Sorry, but that's ridiculous. Next you will tell us that invoking "configure" and "make" from the shell prompt is ``rusty and broken'', and is the reason for the fact that you expect the build to fail, because it's all too easy to try to run "make" before "configure" or misspell "make" as "Make". Using CVS and not knowing about -d is like using GCC without knowing what the -c switch does.