From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Brian Elmegaard Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Making Emacs more newbie friendly Date: 20 Mar 2005 13:52:57 +0100 Message-ID: References: <874qf8d3cy.fsf@thalassa.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111324903 402 80.91.229.2 (20 Mar 2005 13:21:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 13:21:43 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 20 14:21:42 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DD0My-0005AZ-6V for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:21:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DD0dr-0000w5-Fd for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 08:38:55 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!dotsrc.org!news.dotsrc.org!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 Original-Lines: 32 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.166.154.230 Original-X-Trace: DXC=Kg0h; A^Uk\3@g6i]76MRQ6YSB=nbEKnk; 0iD:o5Hn]; :B5AQgEXWLc=eWR8?[FEXN6G`OJE8Gd139IUWY:IjIWi1 Original-X-Complaints-To: staff@sunsite.dk Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:129475 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:25030 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:25030 David Kastrup writes: > For example, I can't remember anybody ever touting using Eclipse as a > development platform for LaTeX, and that is one of the most important > applications of Emacs for me. There are some very simple plugins for eclipse, but winedt would be the main competitor in the windows world for latex. I think the situation for people who could see the idea behind emacs is that they have a need for an editor for either a programming language or latex. But to me it was just too crunchy a bite to start out on both latex and emacs in one go. So I wasted years working with winedt for latex (and configuring it for metapost) and programmers file editor for fortran. If emacs had looked a little more like what I knew then (notepad and word perfect) I could have chewed it. My experience says that this is what other windows people who should start programming or latexing also could benefit from. A look and feel like winedt or eclipse but with the possibility for the conventional emacs look and access to all the emacs modes and features would be close to a perfect world for me. I have no idea what it would take of programming efforts, but as long the horisontal scroll is not available, I am speaking about a project of eons. -- Brian (remove the sport for mail) http://www.et.dtu.dk/staff/be/be.html