From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: jasonr (Jason Rumney) @ f2s.com Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: emacs 22 release Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 22:18:10 +0100 Organization: freedom2surf Message-ID: References: <35a160348ae861f38acfdc01919ddb27@Web.DE> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1128028957 14697 80.91.229.2 (29 Sep 2005 21:22:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:22:37 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 29 23:22:35 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EL5pE-0008EU-7W for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 23:20:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EL5pD-000887-C0 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 17:20:19 -0400 Original-Lines: 49 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: i-83-67-23-108.freedom2surf.net Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!news4.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!ngpeer.news.aol.com!news-out.newsfeeds.com!spool6-east.superfeed.net!propagator-sterling.newsfeeds.com!news-in.newsgroups.com!news.freedom2surf.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-X-Trace: news.freedom2surf.net 1128028773 5883 83.67.23.108 (29 Sep 2005 21:19:33 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@freedom2surf.net Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:19:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Face: .PruP48JRO{Z6Rfz?YkZ>)zR+7!Up"`!1Cvq{fGd)@K; y]C:8r\CrJ^Mj\_U"9*WD2 I#zdK_#tw]y9*Y$?ge&b23Zt7zpknL{)F7Px4DVSY6b9dg[^VtkN-R_$YJ0cL''j[, }O#k{k| User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (windows-nt) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Ifx/TaxlvqJ8UpK3cpe6Dpvh2wc= Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:134244 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:29814 Archived-At: Peter Dyballa writes: > In my 'standard' edition of GNU Emacs 22 I have not changed the > default values. Adding > > (setq unify-8859-on-encoding-mode nil) > (setq unify-8859-on-decoding-mode t) > > makes no change in that field which I address in my writing As per the documentation for those variables, you can't just set them like that. Also, I think you want them both set to t, otherwise you will have problems writing files in various encodings, due to the buffer representation being a different encoding than what you are trying to save as. You probably need to kill existing buffers and reread the files after changing unify-8859-on-decoding-mode, since it only has any effect when reading files/process output etc. >> > These characters in the buffer can't be printed: >> > €, , ¡, ¢, £, €, ¥, Š, §, š, ©, ª, «, ¬, ­, and more... >> > >> > And it's not even true, since I can see ¡, ¢, £, §, ©, ª, «, ¬, ­ ... This is probably because those characters pass through unify-8859-on-encoding-mode to convert them to Latin-1 after the message has already been displayed. Out of the box, ps-print only handles Latin-1, but there are variables to control this. > Not yet, but you motivate me to do so! (Again. I think I reported > something similiar earlier this year and Kenichi Handa then made some > changes that the message about unprintable characters became more > realistic, being based on the actual glyphs of the encoding used. He > promised that in Unicode Emacs 23 the problem will be solved. Could be > some backlash happened in the meantime that the reports are not true > again ... as in real life and its politics. Or politicians?) I think the change you are talking about was when saving a file. The code for printing is different, so a separate fix will be required there. > From these bugs I'd like to estimate that Unicode Emacs 23 will be > released before GNU Emacs 22. It's worth to go directly to Unicode, > without wasting the valuable resources of the developers. Using Unicode in Emacs will not magically fix postscript. There is more work involved in getting all the peripheral code like ps-print to take advantage of the Unicode support in the core of Emacs 23 than there is in fixing a few minor bugs in Emacs 22.