From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: EmacsW32 invocation options Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 11:00:40 +0300 Message-ID: References: <59osrdF2m97hgU1@mid.individual.net> <4637A396.9000300@gmail.com> <46383B57.6050508@gmail.com> <4638EE03.8000602@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1178265668 20079 80.91.229.12 (4 May 2007 08:01:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 08:01:08 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 04 10:01:07 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Hjsiw-0005m2-8J for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 May 2007 10:01:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HjspX-0003UJ-Ls for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 May 2007 04:07:55 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HjspD-0003Tk-2J for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 04 May 2007 04:07:35 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HjspB-0003SO-Sy for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 04 May 2007 04:07:34 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HjspB-0003SC-NI for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 04 May 2007 04:07:33 -0400 Original-Received: from heller.inter.net.il ([213.8.233.23]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HjsiZ-0007Aa-4g for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 04 May 2007 04:00:43 -0400 Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 (IGLD-80-230-210-155.inter.net.il [80.230.210.155]) by heller.inter.net.il (MOS 3.7.3a-GA) with ESMTP id CMV80035 (AUTH halo1); Fri, 4 May 2007 11:00:40 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: (no-spam@cua.dk) X-detected-kernel: FreeBSD 4.7-5.2 (or MacOS X 10.2-10.4) (2) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:43643 Archived-At: > From: no-spam@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) > Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 11:43:25 +0200 > Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > > "Juanma Barranquero" writes: > > > As I explained once before, your "distro" is potentially destructive > > too. It's not hard to imagine how it could lead to a fork of Emacs on > > Windows (not that it's *going* to happen, but it paves the way for it > > to happen). > > That's the "risk" of free software ... somebody taking what you've written, > modify it (as the license permits), and release it as a modified version, > offering you (and everybody else) the patches to make your version "comply". > > If you don't like those patches, well, that's your freedom. > > I don't see how someone using the freedom of GPL should be accused of > being destructive, just because he does something you don't approve of. Kim, I hope you've read this thread before responding, because you've taken one phrase out of context and jumped the gun on it. The issue is not freedom, and Juanma hardly needs a lecture about it. (He might be better off choosing a less radical word than ``destructive'', but then he's not a native English speaker, so we all might cut him some slack.) The issue is how to use this freedom in the best interests of the community at large. In this case, Lennart's attitude to put into his distribution every patch he finds useful, but cannot convince the Emacs developers to accept, is IMO not the best use of that freedom. It is confusing to users who expect Emacs to behave as documented and to do that consistently on all platforms. And it's an attitude that smells of schism and forking, which many of us will not approve, because it diminishes the already small group of active developers by spreading their insufficient resources between several competing projects. > I can fully understand why Lennart would prefer his changes to be adopted > into the core (it's no fun to maintain your "own distro"), but if you don't > want to do that (I haven't considered the actual changes), then IMO it is > fine -- and fully legal -- for him to make his own distro. Of course, it's legal! No one suggested that Lennart should be arrested for illegal trafficking in Emacs Lisp or something. > BTW, IMO, Lennart is doing a fine job of helping getting the 22.1 > release out by providing (unpatched) W32 binaries for all the pretests. Sure, he does, and he deserves a lot of credit and thanks for that. As does Juanma, btw, who made emacslient work on Windows to begin with.