From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bellinstead Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 22:00:27 +0200 Message-ID: References: <009901c9421f$5bd0a6b0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <00ad01c942a0$1f49ca60$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii , 1305@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1226261424 30615 80.91.229.12 (9 Nov 2008 20:10:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:10:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: jasonspiro4@gmail.com, bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, 1305@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 09 21:11:26 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KzGd3-0003O4-Fi for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:11:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51174 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KzGbv-0008Au-PA for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 15:10:15 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KzGbr-0008AH-H6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 15:10:11 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KzGbq-0008A1-Fz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 15:10:10 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=55540 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KzGbq-00089q-7C for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 15:10:10 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:50161) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KzGbp-0006X2-JP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 15:10:09 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mA9KA6QX010910; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 12:10:06 -0800 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id mA9KA53X010859; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 12:10:05 -0800 X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 20:10:05 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: don@donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 1305 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 1305-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B1305.12262608348691 (code B ref 1305); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 20:10:05 +0000 Original-Received: (at 1305) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 9 Nov 2008 20:00:34 +0000 Original-Received: from mtaout6.012.net.il (mtaout6.012.net.il [84.95.2.16]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mA9K0UZc008676 for <1305@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 12:00:32 -0800 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.i-mtaout6.012.net.il by i-mtaout6.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0KA3003000TUKV00@i-mtaout6.012.net.il> for 1305@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 22:02:12 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.126.241.172]) by i-mtaout6.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0KA3002R40ZN9OG0@i-mtaout6.012.net.il>; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 22:02:11 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <00ad01c942a0$1f49ca60$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-CrossAssassin-Score: 2 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Resent-Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 15:10:10 -0500 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:22245 Archived-At: > From: "Drew Adams" > Cc: , > Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 11:19:43 -0800 > > > > This possibility of turning off or down the bell at the > > > computer level should not be removed. > > > > I think you are barking the wrong tree: no one suggested to remove the > > possibility to shut up the bell. > > If the bell is systematically replaced by the visible bell, then turning off the > sound at the computer level will not remove the distraction. The sound > distraction, which you can easily turn off outside Emacs, will have been > replaced by a sight distraction, which you cannot. No, that's not the intent. The intent is to make the visible bell the default. To turn it off, you turn off visible-bell, which makes Emacs beep again, and then turn off the speakers.