From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Masterson Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.customize Subject: Re: Customize Rogue Date: 12 Mar 2003 15:30:44 -0800 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <20030309185419.2506.LEKTU@terra.es> <20030310163108.44F9.LEKTU@terra.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1047512197 9012 80.91.224.249 (12 Mar 2003 23:36:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 23:36:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-custom@sunsite.dk Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 13 00:36:36 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18tFm0-0002L6-00 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 00:36:36 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18tG9S-00056c-00 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 01:00:50 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18tFmL-0006Z7-07 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 18:36:57 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18tFlj-00068a-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 18:36:19 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18tFkp-00055l-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 18:35:25 -0500 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.224.249]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18tFgS-0002SW-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 18:30:52 -0500 Original-Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18tFfi-0001w5-00 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 00:30:06 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Received: from news by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18tFfd-0001vc-00 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 00:30:01 +0100 Original-Lines: 29 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:12323 gmane.emacs.customize:40 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:12323 >>>>> Per Abrahamsen writes: > Juanma Barranquero writes: >> In that light, getting a message that says "Value changed outside >> of customize buffer" > You only get that message if you actually use the Customize form > based interface. If you use the Customize form based interface, the > message is useful. If you don't use it, the message is not useful, > but you will not see it either. One potential you might be missing is that other Emacs "packages" could "dump" a "customization" for a user. That is, during the installation of a package, the package may create a (set of) custom calls that fit the package to the environment of the user. Later, if the user chooses to (re-)customize his Emacs, would he be "confused" by the message? (too many quotes :-\ ) > Emacs should provide functions because they are useful, and not for > any other reasons, including philosophical reasons. If a function causes confusion in it's results, it will be avoided regardless of its usefulness. -- David Masterson David DOT Masterson AT synopsys DOT com Sr. R&D Engineer Synopsys, Inc. Software Engineering Sunnyvale, CA