From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New start up splash screen annoyance... Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 06:24:42 +0200 Message-ID: References: <85abrn9ini.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <85d4wh3kf9.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <851wcw1qht.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <871wctziwv.fsf@kfs-lx.testafd.dk> <87lkb1z0vg.fsf@anzu.internal.golden-gryphon.com> <858x71w5f5.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <4zvea54019.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87myvgrivy.fsf@jurta.org> <86r6ksxz9n.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <87hclmlq2x.fsf@jurta.org> <87hclmbgp9.fsf@jurta.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1190521517 32242 80.91.229.12 (23 Sep 2007 04:25:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 04:25:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 23 06:25:11 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IZJ1m-0001C2-Kf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 06:25:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IZJ1j-0001qt-S9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 00:25:03 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IZJ1g-0001qd-LT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 00:25:00 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IZJ1f-0001qO-2t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 00:25:00 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IZJ1e-0001qH-U4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 00:24:58 -0400 Original-Received: from heller.inter.net.il ([213.8.233.23]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IZJ1e-0004H4-M0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 00:24:58 -0400 Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 (IGLD-83-130-220-210.inter.net.il [83.130.220.210]) by heller.inter.net.il (MOS 3.7.3a-GA) with ESMTP id DRP32816 (AUTH halo1); Sun, 23 Sep 2007 06:24:42 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <87hclmbgp9.fsf@jurta.org> (message from Juri Linkov on Sat, 22 Sep 2007 23:01:42 +0300) X-Detected-Kernel: FreeBSD 4.7-5.2 (or MacOS X 10.2-10.4) (2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:79551 Archived-At: > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > From: Juri Linkov > Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 23:01:42 +0300 > > However, when pop-up-frames is non-nil, it would be very annoying to > insist on creating a separate frame. For instance, I use the full-screen > single frame configuration which doesn't work with a separate startup frame. You forget that you are not the target of this feature. Those who are probably won't customize pop-up-frames without also customizing away the splash screen. As for other technical arguments against the separate frame: we have enough means in Emacs, I think, to force the splash screen to the foreground. Also, most other programs that display splash screen do that in a separate frame. I don't see why can't we.