From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: delete-selection-mode Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 17:57:59 +0300 Message-ID: References: <004a01c8a1a0$7215cdd0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <878wz9btq8.fsf@jurta.org> <85fxthy4qp.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87hcdxz9zr.fsf_-_@jurta.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1208703522 15387 80.91.229.12 (20 Apr 2008 14:58:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 14:58:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 20 16:59:14 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Jnb0S-0005tZ-JA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:59:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jnazn-0001M6-Dd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 10:58:23 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jnazk-0001M1-52 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 10:58:20 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jnazh-0001Lp-Js for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 10:58:18 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jnazh-0001Lm-Dw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 10:58:17 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout4.012.net.il ([84.95.2.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jnazd-00022R-Ls; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 10:58:13 -0400 Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([80.230.59.104]) by i_mtaout4.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) with ESMTPA id <0JZM00MTZQ87UZN1@i_mtaout4.012.net.il>; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:12:08 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <87hcdxz9zr.fsf_-_@jurta.org> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 9.1 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:95521 Archived-At: > From: Juri Linkov > Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 02:43:36 +0300 > Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > I am very much against enabling delete-selection-mode by default. > > I am very surprised. What could be a reason not to delete the region > after typing a character when this region was intentionally activated > specially for doing this. If the region activates as a side effect of otherwise innocent commands, such as M-> or C-s or C-x C-x, then I'd object deleting it as well. Even if I explicitly mark the region with C-SPC followed by cursor motion commands, it does not yet mean I'm about to replace it with another text. I might just want to M-w it or something. Imagine typing some self-inserting key by mistake in this situation, for example. IOW, the problem is that in Emacs a region is used and created by many commands that are not available in other GUI apps, or if they are available, they don't paint the marked text. I sincerely hope that I'm missing something very important (because I didn't follow the discussions about this until now), because otherwise I fear the UI of Emacs 23 will simply be unbearable for newcomers and veterans alike.