From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Carbon port and multi-tty Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 12:53:36 +0300 Message-ID: References: <87r6cf1if3.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <200805070428.m474SbH6002408@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200805070555.m475tCRi004681@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <85d4ny4ny4.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87wsm6a6p6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <868wymy07s.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <86ve1qwhtc.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1210240477 22484 80.91.229.12 (8 May 2008 09:54:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 09:54:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu May 08 11:55:12 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Ju2qG-00057s-0l for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 08 May 2008 11:55:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58961 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ju2pY-0003Wv-1r for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 08 May 2008 05:54:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ju2pU-0003WR-BQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 08 May 2008 05:54:24 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ju2pT-0003WB-Je for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 08 May 2008 05:54:24 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=37244 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ju2pT-0003W8-Gl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 08 May 2008 05:54:23 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout5.012.net.il ([84.95.2.13]:61778) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Ju2pL-0000fh-6X; Thu, 08 May 2008 05:54:15 -0400 Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([83.130.255.47]) by i_mtaout5.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) with ESMTPA id <0K0J00HSTO5DYGH1@i_mtaout5.012.net.il>; Thu, 08 May 2008 13:08:02 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 9.1 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:96751 Archived-At: > From: Richard M Stallman > CC: dak@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 04:44:06 -0400 > > Because you want to be better then they are? > > Spending time to support a non-free system is not, in general, a > virtue, and is not a particularly effective way to become a better > person. Well, you and I both know for a long time that we disagree on that. I tend to think about people whom I'm helping, not the proprietors of their platforms (which couldn't care less about the existence of myself and the users I'm helping). Btw, current GNU/Linux systems can hardly be called "free", either, due to gobs of proprietary software they come with. Which doesn't surprise me: as soon as software gets out of hands of volunteers into the hands of businessmen, this is IMO inevitable in the world in which we live.