From mboxrd@z Thu Jan  1 00:00:00 1970
Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail
From: Brian Elmegaard <brian@rk-speed-rugby.dk>
Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help
Subject: Re: Making Emacs more newbie friendly
Date: 22 Mar 2005 12:46:39 +0100
Message-ID: <u64zjykbk.fsf@rk-speed-rugby.dk>
References: <opsnuqi11mp52o26@home-ca12fabbc0>
	<opsnvd2glkp52o26@home-ca12fabbc0>
	<mailman.4378.1111230698.32256.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
	<opsnv3lvttp52o26@home-ca12fabbc0> <x564znbqge.fsf@lola.goethe.zz>
	<opsnv6rrb0p52o26@home-ca12fabbc0> <x5k6o3a9ly.fsf@lola.goethe.zz>
	<opsnv9etpwp52o26@home-ca12fabbc0> <x5vf7n8sk7.fsf@lola.goethe.zz>
	<opsnwb2h1mp52o26@home-ca12fabbc0> <x5r7ib7btt.fsf@lola.goethe.zz>
	<uacoyiimu.fsf@rk-speed-rugby.dk> <x5k6o2b4b7.fsf@lola.goethe.zz>
	<h5rk1d.da.ln@acm.acm>
NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111494641 24580 80.91.229.2 (22 Mar 2005 12:30:41 GMT)
X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org
NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:30:41 +0000 (UTC)
Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 22 13:30:41 2005
Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165])
	by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43)
	id 1DDiVe-0002m9-Fz
	for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:29:22 +0100
Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org)
	by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43)
	id 1DDimv-0000bo-KL
	for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:47:13 -0500
Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!uninett.no!news.net.uni-c.dk!sunsite.dk!dotsrc.org!news.dotsrc.org!not-for-mail
Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50
Original-Lines: 23
Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.166.154.230
Original-X-Trace: DXC=OnRZ?ZY8dkFI[NbmUoDmmGYSB=nbEKnkK]>JZBX<E^cFB5AQgEXWLcMeWR8?[FEXNFG`OJE8Gd13I5b[lBTJnJ`I
Original-X-Complaints-To: staff@sunsite.dk
Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:129537
Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5
Precedence: list
List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor <help-gnu-emacs.gnu.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-gnu-emacs>,
	<mailto:help-gnu-emacs-request@gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://lists.gnu.org/pipermail/help-gnu-emacs>
List-Post: <mailto:help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
List-Help: <mailto:help-gnu-emacs-request@gnu.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-gnu-emacs>,
	<mailto:help-gnu-emacs-request@gnu.org?subject=subscribe>
Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org
Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org
X-MailScanner-To: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org
Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:25086
X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:25086

Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> writes:

> a bit.  But please, _describe_ these exotic unknown programs rather than
> 
I think I did already. But the users prefer an interface like:
http://www.winedt.com/HTML/snap.html

In addition I would like to be able to something like
http://eclipse.org/articles/Article-GEF-editor/gef-schema-editor.html
inside emacs. 

And I would not like to use any of them, because emacs is superior to
winedt and eclipse doesn't any more easy to learn to use than
emacs. Neither of them have more than one mode I could benefit from
using. 

> I think the man wants a horizontal scroll bar.

I think I have learned to live without it...

-- 
Brian (remove the sport for mail)
http://www.et.dtu.dk/staff/be/be.html