From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: EmacsW32 invocation options Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 11:18:11 +0300 Message-ID: References: <59osrdF2m97hgU1@mid.individual.net> <4637A396.9000300@gmail.com> <46383B57.6050508@gmail.com> <4638EE03.8000602@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1178266726 23552 80.91.229.12 (4 May 2007 08:18:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 08:18:46 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 04 10:18:44 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Hjszz-0000Yi-TS for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 May 2007 10:18:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hjt6b-0004f1-LV for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 May 2007 04:25:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Hjt6A-0004by-49 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 04 May 2007 04:25:06 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Hjt69-0004Zk-KY for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 04 May 2007 04:25:05 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hjt69-0004ZY-HJ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 04 May 2007 04:25:05 -0400 Original-Received: from heller.inter.net.il ([213.8.233.23]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HjszW-0001LC-Tr for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 04 May 2007 04:18:15 -0400 Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 (IGLD-80-230-210-155.inter.net.il [80.230.210.155]) by heller.inter.net.il (MOS 3.7.3a-GA) with ESMTP id CMV85789 (AUTH halo1); Fri, 4 May 2007 11:18:11 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: (message from Brian Elmegaard on Thu, 03 May 2007 23:13:14 +0100) X-detected-kernel: FreeBSD 4.7-5.2 (or MacOS X 10.2-10.4) (2) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:43645 Archived-At: > From: Brian Elmegaard > Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 23:13:14 +0100 > > "Juanma Barranquero" writes: > > > environment. I'm arguing that Emacs on Windows is not harder to use or > > learn that Emacs on GNU/Linux or other environments, so changes to > > hat may be true, but my own experience and my impression of watching > students required to learn emacs, is that emacs+EmacsW32 is easier to > learn emacs. We are not talking in general here, we are talking specifically about starting server automatically and about the way the Emacs icon is set up to start Emacs. Can you please explain how the changes in these two aspects of the default Emacs behavior make it easier to learn Emacs on Windows? Because I cannot imagine how these two minor subtleties can change anything in the generally steep curve of learning Emacs from scratch. The major difficulties are elsewhere, and if we really care about that, we should divert our energy to overcoming those major difficulties, instead of wasting it on whether server should be up or down by default.