From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Info tutorial is out of date Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 06:34:01 +0300 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1153193657 11643 80.91.229.2 (18 Jul 2006 03:34:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 03:34:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 18 05:34:14 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2gLc-00028f-2e for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 05:34:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2gLb-00010O-JZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:34:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G2gLQ-0000zp-B2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:34:00 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G2gLP-0000zE-6J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:33:59 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2gLP-0000zB-3a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:33:59 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.114.186.66] (helo=romy.inter.net.il) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G2gOC-00064a-QU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:36:53 -0400 Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 (IGLD-80-230-141-38.inter.net.il [80.230.141.38]) by romy.inter.net.il (MOS 3.7.3-GA) with ESMTP id FHG01567 (AUTH halo1); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 06:33:57 +0300 (IDT) Original-To: "Drew Adams" In-reply-to: X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:57238 Archived-At: > From: "Drew Adams" > Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:01:16 -0700 > > > I see no reason why we can't have two versions of the tutorial. > > One reason is that it's not easy to present the right one to the user > based on her reader. Remember: learning Info is a bootstrap-kind of > problem--you learn to use a tool by using that same tool. If we don't > make the beginning of the bootstrap 110% reliable (which includes > showing the right manual), the results will be catastrophic. > > So, how do you deal with that problem currently, since there are apparently > already two manuals? By having the Info manual be the first item in the top-level menu. > Your bootstrap doesn't need to teach anything about `n' and `p', does it? I think it does, because users should know how to navigate the structure of a manual.