From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Foreign file names on MS-Windows Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:32:13 +0200 Message-ID: References: <47E507C6.7010001@gmail.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1206192780 10428 80.91.229.12 (22 Mar 2008 13:33:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 13:33:00 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 22 14:33:30 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Jd3qi-0002qA-0l for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 22 Mar 2008 14:33:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jd3q7-00081n-CG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 22 Mar 2008 09:32:51 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jd3pk-0007gP-IA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Mar 2008 09:32:28 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jd3pi-0007fQ-VS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Mar 2008 09:32:28 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jd3pi-0007f6-NS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Mar 2008 09:32:26 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout7.012.net.il ([84.95.2.19]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jd3pi-00071T-9a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Mar 2008 09:32:26 -0400 Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.228.236.188]) by i-mtaout7.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0JY400KBQVH377F1@i-mtaout7.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:15:03 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <47E507C6.7010001@gmail.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (1203?) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:93181 Archived-At: > Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 14:21:10 +0100 > From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" > CC: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Now the important question I promised at the beginning: Should we > > install this change on the release branch? Here are the pros and cons > > that I could think of for this decision: > > > > Cons: > > > > . It is too close to release for such non-trivial changes. > > > > . The affected primitives are used in lots of places, and this > > change could break them, and the Lisp code that uses them. > > > > . This problem exists in Emacs for a long time, so it's not a big > > deal if it continues to exist some more (until resolved in Emacs > > 23). > > > > . The suggested solution is only partial, and the resulting file > > names are UGLY. > > > > Pros: > > > > . The bug is quite grave: it causes real data loss. > > > > . Whatever code uses the affected primitives is probably already > > broken. > > > > . The change is very simple, so the probability of it being buggy > > is very low (but please eyeball the diffs below to make it lower > > still). > > Does the problem affect only W9x systems? Does the patch only affect them? No, on the contrary: this problem cannot at all happen on W9x, unless they have the Unicode add-on installed. If they do have it, I think the change will affect them as well. But currently, it affects mainly the newer versions: W2K, XP, and Vista that use NTFS as their main filesystems.