From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sam Steingold Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Showing end of buffer Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:11:30 -0500 Organization: disorganization Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: Reply-To: sds@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1074795558 4612 80.91.224.253 (22 Jan 2004 18:19:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:19:18 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 22 19:19:13 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AjjQ9-00081R-00 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 19:19:13 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AjjQ8-0007s5-00 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 19:19:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AjjNw-0003Ts-MV for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:16:56 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AjjL8-0002P0-Om for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:14:02 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AjjIy-0001NW-VM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:12:21 -0500 Original-Received: from [80.91.224.249] (helo=main.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AjjIo-00015y-7g for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:11:38 -0500 Original-Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AjjIj-00056y-00 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 19:11:33 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Received: from sea.gmane.org ([80.91.224.252]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AjjIi-00056q-00 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 19:11:32 +0100 Original-Received: from news by sea.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AjjIi-0000tE-00 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 19:11:32 +0100 Original-Lines: 26 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Attribution: Sam X-Disclaimer: You should not expect anyone to agree with me. User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (windows-nt) Cancel-Lock: sha1:iXNLwjkC1+E3OKZw05pgr6aT23Y= X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:19425 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:19425 > * Richard Stallman [2003-04-20 20:59:43 -0400]: > > Dan Jacobson suggested > > Well, it turns out that if you add a special mark for the > beginning of the file in the very left margin, then one does not > anymore need to rely on "Top" in the modeline to tell us we are on > top. > > What would people think of displaying a special kind of horizontal > line reaching across the width of the window, to indicate the > beginning and end of the buffer? I know it is too late - the feature has already been implemented, but how is this better than the scrollbar? This whole thing - arrows, EOB/BOB angles - just duplicates the exact same information in the scrollbar (without the benefit of clickability). Also, I agree with those who say that all these items should be on the same side of the screen, preferably on the left. -- Sam Steingold (http://www.podval.org/~sds) running w2k He who laughs last did not get the joke.