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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: describe-bindings: ^L, bad order, naming
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:47:47 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <u3bm34ll8.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <89DEE8B2-EA6A-4347-A9AB-D1B99C58E725@gmail.com> (message from David Reitter on Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:29:35 +0000)

> From: David Reitter <david.reitter@gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:29:35 +0000
> 
> describe-bindings separates the different groups with  ^L even though  
> the text that is output is intended to be human-readable.

The ^L is there so that one could use forward-page to quickly move to
the next group.

> Isn't there a nicer way the groups can be separated?

We could use overlays to display the ^L as something more visually
appealing, while leaving ^L in the buffer.

> I also get a long list with latin key characters that are bound to  
> encoded-kbd-self-insert-ccl.

I think this is a bug.

> As a novice user when trying out the describe-bindings function, I  
> would see that there is a lot of uninteresting technical stuff at the  
> beginning

Please be more specific: what uninteresting technical stuff is there
at the beginning that you want to remove?

> Lastly, I was wondering if one could use a better name for the menu  
> item.
> "List Key Bindings" is of course perfectly correct from an Emacs  
> terminology point of view. But as a new user, I would be looking for  
> something like "Keyboard Functions" or "Keyboard Shortcuts" or so,  
> not for "Bindings".

We could modify the help echo string to mention "shortcuts".  I don't
think the name of the menu item itself should change, since this is
Emacs terminology, and newbies need to learn it as fast as possible.

> The Help menu is really important and useful to newbies. It would be  
> very helpful if one could make it easier to understand.

That is the goal, yes.  But given the limited real estate in the
menus, we need to compromise.

> --Apple-Mail-17-876036934
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
> Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature;
> 	name=smime.p7s
> Content-Disposition: attachment;
> 	filename=smime.p7s

Could you please drop this signature stuff?  It's very long and thus
annoying.  TIA.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-11-11  8:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-11-10 20:29 describe-bindings: ^L, bad order, naming David Reitter
2005-11-10 21:27 ` Drew Adams
2005-11-10 21:38   ` Lennart Borgman
2005-11-11  1:03     ` Robert J. Chassell
2005-11-11  2:55       ` Miles Bader
2005-11-11  9:18         ` Kim F. Storm
2005-11-11  7:43       ` David Reitter
2005-11-11  9:05         ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-11 10:20           ` Henrik Enberg
2005-11-13 20:54           ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-11-13 22:08             ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-13 23:13               ` David Reitter
2005-11-14  0:10                 ` Miles Bader
2005-11-14  0:19                   ` Lennart Borgman
2005-11-14  4:28                     ` Stefan Monnier
2005-11-14 15:35                       ` Lennart Borgman
2005-11-15  5:43                         ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-11-19 11:25                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-15  3:58                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-14  4:40                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-14 17:48                     ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-11-14 18:18                       ` Help menu (was: Re: describe-bindings: ^L, bad order, naming) David Reitter
2005-11-15  4:07                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-15  4:11                           ` Help menu Juri Linkov
2005-11-15 17:45                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-15 18:07                         ` Help menu (was: Re: describe-bindings: ^L, bad order, naming) Richard M. Stallman
2005-11-15 18:19                           ` Drew Adams
2005-11-15 18:15                         ` Drew Adams
2005-11-16 22:04                           ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-11-16 23:29                             ` Drew Adams
2005-11-18 17:00                               ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-11-18 17:58                                 ` Drew Adams
2005-11-18 18:21                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-19 23:26                                     ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-11-19 23:44                                       ` Drew Adams
2005-11-19 23:26                                   ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-11-19 23:44                                     ` Drew Adams
2005-11-16 22:04                           ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-11-14 10:45                 ` describe-bindings: ^L, bad order, naming Jason Rumney
2005-11-11  8:54       ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-11  9:25       ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-11  8:51   ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-11 18:02     ` Drew Adams
2005-11-11 18:26       ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-11 20:47         ` Robert J. Chassell
2005-11-11  8:47 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2005-11-11  9:33   ` David Reitter
2005-11-11 10:02     ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-11 10:17       ` David Reitter
2005-11-11 18:02   ` Drew Adams
2005-11-11 19:01     ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-11 19:10       ` Drew Adams
2005-11-11 20:49         ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-11-11 21:16           ` David Reitter
2005-11-11 21:26             ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-11-11 22:32               ` David Reitter
2005-11-11 22:42             ` Miles Bader
2005-11-11 23:40               ` David Reitter
2005-11-11 21:25           ` Drew Adams
2005-11-12  6:32           ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-12 12:28             ` Robert J. Chassell
2005-11-12 12:58               ` David Reitter
2005-11-12 14:28             ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-11-12 19:48               ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-12 20:20                 ` Miles Bader
2005-11-12  6:25         ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-12 13:56           ` Drew Adams
2005-11-11 19:13       ` Lennart Borgman
2005-11-13 20:54   ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-11-11 19:35 ` Juri Linkov
2005-11-11 21:01   ` David Reitter
2005-11-12 21:19     ` Juri Linkov
2005-11-12 21:41       ` Drew Adams
2005-11-12 21:53         ` Miles Bader
2005-11-12 23:09           ` Drew Adams
2005-11-12 23:23             ` Chong Yidong
2005-11-12 23:35               ` Drew Adams
2005-11-14  4:54           ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-11-14  0:55         ` Juri Linkov
2005-11-13 20:54 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-11-13 21:16   ` Drew Adams
2005-11-13 21:23     ` Lennart Borgman
2005-11-13 23:06     ` David Reitter
2005-11-15  5:43       ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-29 17:11     ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-29 18:54       ` Stefan Monnier
2005-12-30  4:56         ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-30  5:09           ` Stefan Monnier
2005-12-30 10:39           ` Andreas Schwab
2005-12-30 22:11             ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-11-14 11:59   ` David Reitter
2005-11-14 14:27     ` Drew Adams
2005-11-15  5:43     ` Richard M. Stallman

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