From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Info tutorial is out of date Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:42:18 +0300 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1153251756 2715 80.91.229.2 (18 Jul 2006 19:42:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 19:42:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 18 21:42:34 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2vSe-0001zY-5z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:42:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2vSd-0006b6-Id for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:42:27 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G2vST-0006b1-Mg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:42:17 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G2vSS-0006al-Vx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:42:17 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2vSS-0006ai-S4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:42:16 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.114.186.66] (helo=romy.inter.net.il) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G2vVP-000542-UV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:45:20 -0400 Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 (IGLD-80-230-228-156.inter.net.il [80.230.228.156]) by romy.inter.net.il (MOS 3.7.3-GA) with ESMTP id FHM77101 (AUTH halo1); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:42:14 +0300 (IDT) Original-To: "Drew Adams" In-reply-to: X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:57284 Archived-At: > From: "Drew Adams" > Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:37:27 -0700 > > > > If there is a separate standalone-reader manual, then stuff > > > that is specific > > > to the standalone reader should go in that manual. > > > > See my other mail for the reasons why this would be not a > > good idea. > > > > I read your other emails (unless there is yet another > > somewhere), and I didn't see any reasons for this. > > Please point them out. > > The need to have the Info manual be the first manual they read. > > And what is the problem in that regard? I'm not assuming they need to read > any other manual first. The top-level menu in DIR is typically very long. If the Info manual is not the first item, we have no real hope that it will be the first one to be read. > > I saw some hand-waving about bootstrapping > > Sigh. Do you really think this style facilitates fruitful discussion? > > I'm really trying to understand you, Eli. Give me something concrete to get > hold of. Just what is the problem? Your custom to use derogatory remarks and angry style. > > Isn't the fact that you didn't even know about that other manual's > > existence tells volumes of why we shouldn't leave out > > stuff related to > > its basics from the beginners' Info manual? > > > > No, I don't see the relation between my ignorance of the > > standalone-reader manual and "why we shouldn't leave out > > stuff..." What's the connection? What volumes does it tell? > > Can you be specific? > > Specifically, it is not a good idea to describe basic stuff in a > manual that no one will find. > > Which basic stuff are we talking about? How to use Info. > Which manual? info-stnd.info > Why won't they find it? Because it's buried in a long menu.