From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Choice of fonts displaying etc/HELLO Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:03:05 +0300 Message-ID: References: <48900ED2.2000703@gnu.org> <4890670C.9000009@gnu.org> <48906865.4000808@gnu.org> <48907856.6040308@gnu.org> <48930CE4.5080305@gnu.org> <87proglyxx.fsf@catnip.gol.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1218482058 19829 80.91.229.12 (11 Aug 2008 19:14:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:14:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lekktu@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, handa@m17n.org, jasonr@gnu.org To: Miles Bader Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 11 21:15:09 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KScr0-0006sD-RA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:14:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36201 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KScq4-0000HN-Ns for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:13:56 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KScfo-0005ML-8k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:03:20 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KScfm-0005KF-HT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:03:19 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=51624 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KScfm-0005Jm-6L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:03:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout3.012.net.il ([84.95.2.7]:51266) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KScfb-0002n3-N6; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:03:07 -0400 Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.229.211.50]) by i_mtaout3.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) with ESMTPA id <0K5G00INNA9P5H12@i_mtaout3.012.net.il>; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:03:26 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <87proglyxx.fsf@catnip.gol.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 9.1 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:102295 Archived-At: > From: Miles Bader > Cc: lekktu@gmail.com, jasonr@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, handa@m17n.org > Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:48:26 +0900 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > >> > I meant would it break something if "\\cj" matched only the Katakana > >> > and Hiragana characters instead of what it matches today? > >> > >> I don't know what it would break, but that doesn't seem like > >> particularly intuitive behavior. > > > > ??? Why not? > > Because Japanese as a language uses more than just Katakana and > Hiragana. You are (apparently) suggesting that \\cj match only > characters that are _uniquely_ japanese, and while that might be an > interesting predicate in some cases, it doesn't seem particularly useful > in general (well to me anyway). > > If there's any use at _all_ for the \\c feature, then it should match > how japanese is actually written, rather than "a random subset which > happens to be trivial to implement from the set of data we have > available today". Is adding Kanji to Hiragana and Katakana is all this tirade is about? Because I'm for it, no need to persuade me so violently. > However the _ability_ to have characters belong to multiple categories > is a good thing, and I think it fits the natural way people think of > them. Any examples, other than Kanji, where this is useful? In any case, I think that one category should be the main one, and each character should belong to only one such category. And that is what we should show in "C-u C-x =".