From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: don provan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: C-x C-f in two frames -> "user minibuffer while in Date: 07 Jul 2005 00:21:21 -0700 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1120721093 17309 80.91.229.2 (7 Jul 2005 07:24:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:24:53 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 07 09:24:53 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DqQkU-0005ME-1Z for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 09:24:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DqQlp-00050n-Kk for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 03:26:05 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 02:21:20 -0500 Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 Original-Lines: 28 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.5.243.171 Original-X-Trace: sv3-EI1xE0F4vsRY0taZdqIRghpo6CVBXHqVWeC+zwJTjCroz37RTIB7H2R1xyZZ78Wos8bEMtdCzgt8pGv!FJ7fKjJgFWd5O6MJ6Yj1Jz2cvzCkskO9Y1R/1quDoDzEzkm+ Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:132346 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:27824 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:27824 Miles Bader writes: > don provan writes: > >> It apparently confuses beginners greatly when they accidentally end up > >> with a recursive minibuffer. > > > > Apparently? You really mean to say it's never confused you? I'm > > impressed. > > Well of course I occasionally get tripped up, but I usually quickly > realize what's going on and fix it. (*whew*) You had me worried, there. I was suspecting you might be an alien invader or something. Anyway, as I say, I agree it's a win. It's just undeniably confusing, not merely "apparently" confusing. Like when you recurse to do a second operation, but then you have to actually do something to get yourself back into the minibuffer to resume -- or even abort! -- the original operation. You have to get very comfortable switching between windows before that seems at all natural. What's more, the minibuffer at times gives you no clue there's previously started command to return to. Has anyone come up with any ways the recursive commands could be better, or is it pretty much accepted that there's nothing that could be done to improve them? -don