all messages for Emacs-related lists mirrored at yhetil.org
 help / color / mirror / code / Atom feed
From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: jasonr@gnu.org, michael.albinus@gmx.de, drew.adams@oracle.com,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: testing for a remote file to include file on a Windows mapped	drive
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 22:35:00 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <u1w4zatnf.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvve2bwaj0.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>

> From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:33:57 -0400
> Cc: 'Emacs-Devel' <emacs-devel@gnu.org>, Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>,
> 	'Jason Rumney' <jasonr@gnu.org>
> 
> Please read the docstring of file-remote-p, it has "nothing" to do
> with the above.  What you describe can misclassify both ways: remote
> access can be provided by the OS (using NFS/AFS/SSHFS/...), and local
> access can be provided by file-name-handlers (e.g. file:// URLs).

That may be how you _want_ it to be, but the current implementation
does not live up to this intent, and it (the current implementation)
is sufficiently old to have everybody and their dog become accustomed
to the peculiar interpretation of the term ``remote'' in Emacs.
Here's the current code in Emacs 23:

    (defun file-remote-p (file &optional identification connected)
    "..."
    `file-remote-p' will never open a connection on its own."
      (let ((handler (find-file-name-handler file 'file-remote-p)))
	(if handler
	    (funcall handler 'file-remote-p file identification connected)
	  nil)))

So a file that does not have a handler is _never_ remote.

Unless and until we change that, this whole argument based on the doc
string is purely academic.  OTOH, those who are accustomed to the
current notion of ``remote'', meaning there's a file handler somewhere
in Emacs, will probably be surprised if it starts returning non-nil
for NFS-mounted volumes some day.

That is why I agree with Michael that a new primitive is in order.
Why you insist on changing the semantics of `file-remote-p' is a
mystery to me.




  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-04-21 19:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 135+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-01-25 18:47 testing for a remote file to include file on a Windows mapped drive Drew Adams
2008-01-25 18:54 ` Drew Adams
2008-01-25 20:33   ` testing for a remote file to include file on a Windows mappeddrive Drew Adams
2008-01-25 22:18     ` Jason Rumney
2008-01-25 23:37       ` Drew Adams
2008-01-26  2:56         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-26  7:30           ` Drew Adams
2008-01-26  9:54             ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-26 11:29           ` Michael Albinus
2008-01-26 15:23             ` Jason Rumney
2008-01-26 16:55             ` Drew Adams
2008-01-26 19:24             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-26 22:15               ` Michael Albinus
2008-01-26 22:31                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-27 11:18                   ` Michael Albinus
2008-01-27 17:28                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-27 18:22                       ` Andreas Schwab
2008-01-27 19:04                       ` Michael Albinus
2008-01-27  1:36                 ` Drew Adams
2008-01-27 20:46                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-20 18:28                   ` testing for a remote file to include file on a Windows mapped drive Drew Adams
2008-04-20 19:37                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-20 20:03                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-20 20:28                         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-20 21:13                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-20 21:16                           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-20 21:31                         ` Jason Rumney
2008-04-20 20:24                       ` Drew Adams
2008-04-20 21:19                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-20 22:20                           ` Drew Adams
2008-04-20 21:21                         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-20 22:20                           ` Drew Adams
2008-04-21  0:59                             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-21  7:18                               ` Drew Adams
2008-04-21  7:28                                 ` Jason Rumney
2008-04-21  7:47                                   ` Drew Adams
2008-04-21 19:37                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-21 22:11                                       ` Drew Adams
2008-04-22  3:36                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-22  4:43                                           ` Drew Adams
2008-04-22  6:27                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-22 14:09                                               ` testing for a remote file to include file on a Windowsmapped drive Drew Adams
2008-04-22 15:47                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-21 17:08                                   ` testing for a remote file to include file on a Windows mapped drive Drew Adams
2008-04-21  7:46                                 ` Michael Albinus
2008-04-21  7:55                                   ` Drew Adams
2008-04-21  9:03                                     ` Michael Albinus
2008-04-21  8:57                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2008-04-21  9:11                                     ` Michael Albinus
2008-04-21  9:18                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2008-04-21  9:44                                         ` Michael Albinus
2008-04-21  9:59                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2008-04-21 14:36                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-21 17:09                                         ` Drew Adams
2008-04-21 17:45                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-21 18:52                                             ` Drew Adams
2008-04-21 19:21                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-21 22:39                                                 ` Drew Adams
2008-04-21 14:33                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-21 15:13                                     ` Michael Albinus
2008-04-21 16:17                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-21 20:29                                         ` Michael Albinus
2008-04-22  2:48                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-21 19:35                                     ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2008-04-22  2:46                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-22  3:40                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-22  5:46                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-22  6:50                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-22 15:17                                         ` Michael Albinus
2008-04-29  7:50                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-29 18:15                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-29 20:39                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-30  3:16                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-30  4:26                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-30  6:23                                                     ` Drew Adams
2008-04-30  7:34                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-30 13:57                                                         ` Drew Adams
2008-05-05 15:33                                                           ` Michael Albinus
2008-05-05 15:47                                                             ` Drew Adams
2008-05-05 15:57                                                               ` Michael Albinus
2008-05-05 16:12                                                                 ` Drew Adams
2008-05-05 18:31                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-05-05 15:20                                             ` Michael Albinus
2008-05-05 18:26                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-21 19:29                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-22 15:40                                     ` Michael Albinus
2008-01-27 20:43                 ` testing for a remote file to include file on a Windows mappeddrive Stefan Monnier
2008-01-29 15:46                   ` Michael Albinus
2008-01-30  6:15                     ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-30  7:43                       ` Michael Albinus
2008-01-30 14:24                         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-30 15:04                           ` Michael Albinus
2008-01-30 15:48                             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-30 16:04                               ` Michael Albinus
2008-01-30 17:49                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-30 16:04                           ` David Kastrup
2008-01-30 17:52                             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-30 19:50                               ` Michael Albinus
2008-01-30 21:33                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-31  9:07                                   ` Michael Albinus
2008-02-01 19:09                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-03 13:36                                       ` Michael Albinus
2008-02-04 21:55                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-05 15:52                                           ` Michael Albinus
2008-02-05 16:34                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-05 20:58                                               ` Michael Albinus
2008-02-05 22:21                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-05 22:32                                                   ` Michael Albinus
2008-02-05 22:17                                               ` url-handler-file-remote-p (was: testing for a remote file to include file on a Windows mappeddrive) Michael Albinus
2008-02-06 14:44                                                 ` url-handler-file-remote-p Stefan Monnier
2008-02-06 20:37                                                   ` url-handler-file-remote-p Michael Albinus
2008-01-30 14:29                       ` testing for a remote file to include file on a Windows mappeddrive Stefan Monnier
2008-01-30 14:45                         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-31  1:05                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-31  1:56                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-31 18:51                             ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-26 15:15           ` Jason Rumney
2008-04-21  4:25         ` Eric Hanchrow
2008-04-21  7:58           ` Andreas Schwab
2008-04-21  8:15             ` testing for a remote file to include file on aWindows mappeddrive Drew Adams
2008-04-21  8:48               ` Andreas Schwab
2008-04-21 17:08                 ` Drew Adams
2008-04-21 14:15               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-21 17:09                 ` Drew Adams
2008-04-21 17:52                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-21 18:52                     ` Drew Adams
2008-04-21 19:24                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-26  8:52   ` testing for a remote file to include file on a Windows mapped drive Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-25 22:11 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-26  8:50   ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-26 10:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-26 16:55   ` Drew Adams
2008-01-26 17:26     ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-26 17:57       ` Drew Adams
2008-01-26 18:58         ` Eli Zaretskii

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=u1w4zatnf.fsf@gnu.org \
    --to=eliz@gnu.org \
    --cc=drew.adams@oracle.com \
    --cc=emacs-devel@gnu.org \
    --cc=jasonr@gnu.org \
    --cc=michael.albinus@gmx.de \
    --cc=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
Code repositories for project(s) associated with this external index

	https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git
	https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/org-mode.git

This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.