From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: What does 'run' do in cperl-mode? Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:06:15 +0300 Message-ID: References: <0ded5ecd-f5f6-4a8e-9d19-f61bf0401022@v39g2000pro.googlegroups.com> <86hcad9ar4.fsf@lifelogs.com> <0bb45e96-f9f3-4451-a457-004bb5930c76@p10g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <927b0c4a-3de2-4be5-b86a-7ffacc4d718e@v1g2000pra.googlegroups.com> <88821130-f989-49ac-b8b1-e3cb2f5c5271@1g2000pre.googlegroups.com> <880cfe65-c525-46f7-a2e7-f76aa1168015@i20g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <1633a503-c4b6-4e33-8ba3-07c518fed27f@r15g2000prd.googlegroups.com> <721790c4-d676-488f-a8da-463e70b4233c@t1g2000pra.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217441224 11559 80.91.229.12 (30 Jul 2008 18:07:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:07:04 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 30 20:07:54 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KOG5K-0005S3-9Y for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:07:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58800 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KOG4Q-0002ic-3o for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:06:42 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KOG49-0002iH-Dg for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:06:25 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KOG48-0002hv-Od for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:06:24 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=52113 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KOG48-0002hs-Mq for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:06:24 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout3.012.net.il ([84.95.2.7]:45722) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KOG48-0001Zu-0N for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:06:24 -0400 Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.229.228.238]) by i_mtaout3.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) with ESMTPA id <0K4T009NKZMM6B51@i_mtaout3.012.net.il> for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:06:23 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <721790c4-d676-488f-a8da-463e70b4233c@t1g2000pra.googlegroups.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 9.1 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:56062 Archived-At: > From: Xah > Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 20:55:26 -0700 (PDT) >=20 > because 95% of Windows+Linux market share, as well as their use of = PC > keyboards, which has maybe 99.99% market share. Please tell where did you get these numbers. Are they based on some survey, or are they just your idea of what they should be? > > Not all keyboards in the world are PC keyboards. >=20 > The argument is not about whether all keyboards in the world are PC > keyboards. >=20 > The point here is that the notation =E2=80=9CAlt+=E2=80=B9key=E2= =80=BA=E2=80=9D used a label that > appears on PC keyboards, the Alt. And PC keyboard has some 99% of > market share. Emacs works on more keyboard types than just PC keyboards. And someone already told you that even on PC keyboards people sometimes remap their Alt key. As for the 99% figure, see above. > I wrote: > =E2=80=A2 Identical To Key's Label >=20 > You retort: > Only on some keyboards. >=20 > That's not reasonable. Why, what goes against your opinions is necessarily unreasonable? > > > > > So i consider it more as bug report now i think about it. W= hy? Because > > > > > emacs failed to update itself when its keyboard under lisp = machines > > > > > become obsolete. > > > > > > You have your history wrong: Meta came from old Sun keyboards= , where > > > > it was marked with a diamond. > > > > > Are you saying, that the Sun Microsystem's keyboard precedes Li= sp > > > Machine's keyboard? > > > > No, I'm saying that Meta doesn't come from Lisp machines. >=20 > Where it came from? And how's the history of Meta is related in thi= s > argument specifically? You tell me: you raised this argument in the first place, see above. > > > So? what is your point? > > > > That Emacs embraces change and progress, contrary to your remarks= . >=20 > What change and progress? What remark? How about re-reading your own messages? There you claimed that Free Software tends to be slow in embracing progress and change. > You need to be specific and detailed to argue convincingly. I have no illusions that I will ever convince you. > > > Let's not start slurs ok? > > > > Look who's talking. You just accused me of being insane, not rea= ding > > your messages and what's not. >=20 > I didn't call you insane or any insult. The closest i said was = =E2=80=9CHuh? > Are you out of your mind Eli?=E2=80=9D Well, ``out of your mind'' is pretty close to ``insane'' in my book. > That phrase is a way to indiacte my surprise of what you are saying= . Perhaps you should find nicer ways of expressing surprise. How about "I'm surprised"?