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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:322080 Archived-At: > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2024 at 4:19 PM > From: "Emanuel Berg" > To: emacs-devel@gnu.org > Subject: Re: Adding a generic mathematical library > > Kepa wrote: > > >> "We should ask the community what tools they would like to > >> use, whether combinatorics, random numbers (Gaussian, > >> Bernoulli, Binomial), ... > >> > >> May I suggest "Units and Conversions". "Symbolic > >> Simplification" could also be a candidate." > > > > Units are a differentiating element. I have found very few > > languages that use units and I consider myself lucky to have > > calc. Calc seems to have bugs when working with units > > though: > > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2024-02/msg00144.htm= l > > > > The embedded mode is also amazing: being able to write text, > > mixed with mathematical operations, variables and units. > > Calc was brought into the discussion as a way of opposing the > idea of a library. To say, we don't need it, because we > already have it. Incorrect, we generally do not accept new packages that substantially over= lap with existing GNU packages. The procedure is for GNU to have a given pack= age to do a given job, and people in that area to contribute to and improve th= at package, working together, instead of having many packages that each do di= fferent parts of a job, each developed on its own. Similarly, a small program often fits better as part of an existing packag= e than being a new package of its own. > Calc is doing it like it is done everywhere else in Emacs IINM. > > This way of doing things isn't good, to me it is pretty much > _the opposite_ to having libraries. But it isn't calc's fault > that they have adapted to this policy/model/reality, I mean > what else to do? You can get good results if you discuss the possibilities and capabilities of a library with the developers of calc. And do some work with them. You will be doing a generic mathematical library anyway. Is there a good reason why an association with them is so terrible ? Have you worked with them before ?