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The literate programming thingies =20 > >> We should count LaTeX programmers and org-mode users, > >> I think these are most of that population=2E I=E2=80=99m not even > >> sure of what=E2=80=99s the count of programmers worldwide already > >> so well=E2=80=A6 Millions could indeed be a great exageration=2E > > > > You should not count typesetting as programming=2E > > Producing a document is not about computation >=20 > LaTeX is domain-specific programming=2E >=20 > > but a literary text, which by definition has to be a human > > literate result=2E Scripting languages have also the > > capability for human literate results=2E >=20 > All general-purpose languages can do anything with computers, > but often it is much better to use specific tools for > a specific purpose, and LaTeX is one such tool=2E >=20 > > There are about 16 million programmers in the world=2E >=20 > OK? Someone asked how many =20 > --=20 > underground experts united > https://dataswamp=2Eorg/~incal >=20 >=20 >