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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261182 Archived-At: > Sent: Friday, December 18, 2020 at 11:04 AM > From: "Jean Louis" > To: "Christopher Dimech" > Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru, larsi@gnus.org, = yandros@gmail.com, john@yates-sheets.org > Subject: Re: Emacs Survey: Toolbars > > * Christopher Dimech [2020-12-18 11:54]: > > > Including more accessibility features would help that Emacs become > > > useful for more people. > > > > Have suggested that the toolbar items could be user defined as it is > > for keybindings. > > Toolbar is offering accessibility feature that some functions may be > chosen with the mouse. > > Itself it is easily customizable. > > But offering toolbar to be customizable such as in defcustom style > would not be accessible by users, it would be redundant as programmers > can already customize it. > > What would be accessible is to provide icons for many functions and > let users drag and drop into the toolbar. Correct, that what I mean. But also that a toolbar icon could run a user defined function. My disagreement with Lars is that he wants that the determination of when = the toolbar can be used is defined by what makes sense to the maintainers of Emacs. Completely wrong. >