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From: Christopher Dimech <dimech@gmx.com>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" <arne_bab@web.de>,
	Jeremy Bryant <jb@jeremybryant.net>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	"emacs-devel@gnu.org" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>,
	"rms@gnu.org" <rms@gnu.org>
Subject: [External] : Emacs website, Lisp, and other
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2024 01:21:55 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <trinity-e67c81f4-6317-423b-80e2-674b62e5fe16-1722986515478@3c-app-mailcom-bs08> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DS7PR10MB52323E8786643BA9ADC6E45DF3BF2@DS7PR10MB5232.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>

> Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2024 at 11:09 AM
> From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
> To: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" <arne_bab@web.de>
> Cc: "Christopher Dimech" <dimech@gmx.com>, "Jeremy Bryant" <jb@jeremybryant.net>, "Eli Zaretskii" <eliz@gnu.org>, "emacs-devel@gnu.org" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>, "rms@gnu.org" <rms@gnu.org>
> Subject: RE: [External] : Emacs website, Lisp, and other
>
> > Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:
> > > language / hyperbole, IMO that description is not
> > > only too subdued
> > 
> > I’ll add that being subdued about strength can actually be harmful.
> > 
> > While false marketing is a problem, not doing marketing and not pointing
> > out the strengths of your project causes people to use systems that are
> > less suited to their requirements than your project.
> > 
> > Because other people will use marketing. And marketing works.
> > 
> > But marketing can be honest. Its goal is then to ensure that the people
> > to whom your project would be useful learn about the project.¹
> > 
> > ⇒ Good marketing starts with the existing strengths of a project and
> >   finds people to whom these strengths are useful.
> > 
> > This also means to use language that conveys enthusiasm.
> > 
> > If you are silent about actual strength of your project, many people to
> > whom choosing your project would be the best decision will not find your
> > project when they are in a situation where they can choose it.
> > 
> > So the Emacs website and documentation should not sell elisp short.
> 
> "marketing", "marketing", "marketing",
> "marketing", "marketing", "marketing".
> 
> FWIW, a description, accurate or inaccurate, isn't
> necessarily marketing.  We're not selling Emacs or
> Elisp.  There's no market involved.
> 
> (Generations deranged by invasive commodification...)
> 

Because marketing today makes extensive use of social sciences, psychology, 
sociology, mathematics, economics, anthropology and neuroscience, the profession
is now widely recognized as a scam.  The same applies to areas such as Human Resources.



  reply	other threads:[~2024-08-06 23:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-04 22:27 Emacs website, Lisp, and other Jeremy Bryant
2024-08-04 22:55 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-05  4:29   ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-05  9:23   ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-05 10:43     ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-05 11:37       ` divya
2024-08-05 11:56         ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-05 12:33         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-05 11:45       ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-05 12:56       ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-08-05 13:16         ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-08-05 14:46           ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-05 21:28             ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-08-05 14:55         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-05 12:28     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-05 16:27       ` 10 problems with Elisp, part 10 (was: Re: Emacs website, Lisp, and other) Emanuel Berg
2024-08-05 16:38         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-05 17:03           ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-05 18:32             ` 10 problems with Elisp, part 10 Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-08-05 20:20               ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-06  7:14                 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-08-06  7:21                   ` Org mode API (was: 10 problems with Elisp, part 10) Ihor Radchenko
2024-08-06  8:23                     ` Org mode API Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-08-10 16:55                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-08-06 11:54                   ` 10 problems with Elisp, part 10 Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-08  2:01                     ` Richard Stallman
2024-08-09 22:39                       ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-13  1:28                         ` Richard Stallman
2024-08-09 22:46                     ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-10  5:41                       ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-10  6:09                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-13  1:28                       ` Richard Stallman
2024-08-05 18:58             ` 10 problems with Elisp, part 10 (was: Re: Emacs website, Lisp, and other) Christopher Dimech
2024-08-05 19:30               ` 10 problems with Elisp, part 10 Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-08-05 20:02                 ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-08  2:01                   ` Richard Stallman
2024-08-06  2:28                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-05 17:13         ` 10 problems with Elisp, part 10 (was: Re: Emacs website, Lisp, and other) Yuri Khan
2024-08-06  6:39         ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-06 11:16         ` Richard Stallman
2024-08-06 22:08           ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-23 19:25         ` Jean Louis
2024-10-23 21:13           ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-23 21:36             ` Jean Louis
2024-10-25  6:44               ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-28  3:27                 ` 10 problems with Elisp, part 10 Joel Reicher
2024-10-24  6:48             ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2024-08-05 20:03   ` Emacs website, Lisp, and other Alan Mackenzie
2024-08-05 21:07     ` Christopher Dimech via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2024-08-06  7:42     ` Jean Louis
2024-08-06 11:14     ` Immanuel Litzroth
2024-08-05 11:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-06 19:09   ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-08-06 19:50     ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-06 20:35       ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-08-06 22:10         ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-08-06 22:48           ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-06 23:09           ` Drew Adams
2024-08-06 23:21             ` Christopher Dimech [this message]
2024-08-07  1:09               ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-23 19:45             ` Jean Louis
2024-10-23 20:25               ` Drew Adams via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2024-10-23 20:50                 ` Jean Louis
2024-10-23 21:21                   ` Drew Adams via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2024-10-23 21:37                     ` Jean Louis
2024-08-06 22:26         ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-07  5:45         ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-15  3:53           ` Madhu
2024-08-15  5:50             ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-15  9:17               ` Madhu
2024-08-15  9:57                 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-23 19:48                   ` Jean Louis
2024-08-15  6:17             ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-15  7:10               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-15  8:06               ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-15  9:27                 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-15 16:03                   ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-23 19:52               ` Jean Louis
2024-10-23 19:41       ` Jean Louis
2024-10-24  6:39         ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2024-08-07 11:13     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-07 12:03       ` Andrea Corallo
2024-08-07 12:16       ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-08  2:01         ` Richard Stallman
2024-08-08  6:51           ` Joel Reicher
2024-08-07 12:31     ` Christopher Dimech

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