From: Christopher Dimech <dimech@gmx.com>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" <arne_bab@web.de>,
Jeremy Bryant <jb@jeremybryant.net>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
"emacs-devel@gnu.org" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>,
"rms@gnu.org" <rms@gnu.org>
Subject: [External] : Emacs website, Lisp, and other
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2024 01:21:55 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <trinity-e67c81f4-6317-423b-80e2-674b62e5fe16-1722986515478@3c-app-mailcom-bs08> (raw)
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> Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2024 at 11:09 AM
> From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
> To: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" <arne_bab@web.de>
> Cc: "Christopher Dimech" <dimech@gmx.com>, "Jeremy Bryant" <jb@jeremybryant.net>, "Eli Zaretskii" <eliz@gnu.org>, "emacs-devel@gnu.org" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>, "rms@gnu.org" <rms@gnu.org>
> Subject: RE: [External] : Emacs website, Lisp, and other
>
> > Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:
> > > language / hyperbole, IMO that description is not
> > > only too subdued
> >
> > I’ll add that being subdued about strength can actually be harmful.
> >
> > While false marketing is a problem, not doing marketing and not pointing
> > out the strengths of your project causes people to use systems that are
> > less suited to their requirements than your project.
> >
> > Because other people will use marketing. And marketing works.
> >
> > But marketing can be honest. Its goal is then to ensure that the people
> > to whom your project would be useful learn about the project.¹
> >
> > ⇒ Good marketing starts with the existing strengths of a project and
> > finds people to whom these strengths are useful.
> >
> > This also means to use language that conveys enthusiasm.
> >
> > If you are silent about actual strength of your project, many people to
> > whom choosing your project would be the best decision will not find your
> > project when they are in a situation where they can choose it.
> >
> > So the Emacs website and documentation should not sell elisp short.
>
> "marketing", "marketing", "marketing",
> "marketing", "marketing", "marketing".
>
> FWIW, a description, accurate or inaccurate, isn't
> necessarily marketing. We're not selling Emacs or
> Elisp. There's no market involved.
>
> (Generations deranged by invasive commodification...)
>
Because marketing today makes extensive use of social sciences, psychology,
sociology, mathematics, economics, anthropology and neuroscience, the profession
is now widely recognized as a scam. The same applies to areas such as Human Resources.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-08-06 23:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-08-04 22:27 Emacs website, Lisp, and other Jeremy Bryant
2024-08-04 22:55 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-05 4:29 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-05 9:23 ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-05 10:43 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-05 11:37 ` divya
2024-08-05 11:56 ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-05 12:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-05 11:45 ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-05 12:56 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-08-05 13:16 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-08-05 14:46 ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-05 21:28 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-08-05 14:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-05 12:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-05 16:27 ` 10 problems with Elisp, part 10 (was: Re: Emacs website, Lisp, and other) Emanuel Berg
2024-08-05 16:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-05 17:03 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-05 18:32 ` 10 problems with Elisp, part 10 Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-08-05 20:20 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-06 7:14 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-08-06 7:21 ` Org mode API (was: 10 problems with Elisp, part 10) Ihor Radchenko
2024-08-06 8:23 ` Org mode API Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-08-10 16:55 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-08-06 11:54 ` 10 problems with Elisp, part 10 Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-08 2:01 ` Richard Stallman
2024-08-09 22:39 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-13 1:28 ` Richard Stallman
2024-08-09 22:46 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-10 5:41 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-10 6:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-13 1:28 ` Richard Stallman
2024-08-05 18:58 ` 10 problems with Elisp, part 10 (was: Re: Emacs website, Lisp, and other) Christopher Dimech
2024-08-05 19:30 ` 10 problems with Elisp, part 10 Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-08-05 20:02 ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-08 2:01 ` Richard Stallman
2024-08-06 2:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-05 17:13 ` 10 problems with Elisp, part 10 (was: Re: Emacs website, Lisp, and other) Yuri Khan
2024-08-06 6:39 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-06 11:16 ` Richard Stallman
2024-08-06 22:08 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-23 19:25 ` Jean Louis
2024-10-23 21:13 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-23 21:36 ` Jean Louis
2024-10-25 6:44 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-28 3:27 ` 10 problems with Elisp, part 10 Joel Reicher
2024-10-24 6:48 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2024-08-05 20:03 ` Emacs website, Lisp, and other Alan Mackenzie
2024-08-05 21:07 ` Christopher Dimech via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2024-08-06 7:42 ` Jean Louis
2024-08-06 11:14 ` Immanuel Litzroth
2024-08-05 11:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-06 19:09 ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-08-06 19:50 ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-06 20:35 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-08-06 22:10 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-08-06 22:48 ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-06 23:09 ` Drew Adams
2024-08-06 23:21 ` Christopher Dimech [this message]
2024-08-07 1:09 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-23 19:45 ` Jean Louis
2024-10-23 20:25 ` Drew Adams via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2024-10-23 20:50 ` Jean Louis
2024-10-23 21:21 ` Drew Adams via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2024-10-23 21:37 ` Jean Louis
2024-08-06 22:26 ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-07 5:45 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-15 3:53 ` Madhu
2024-08-15 5:50 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-15 9:17 ` Madhu
2024-08-15 9:57 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-23 19:48 ` Jean Louis
2024-08-15 6:17 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-15 7:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-15 8:06 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-15 9:27 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-15 16:03 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-23 19:52 ` Jean Louis
2024-10-23 19:41 ` Jean Louis
2024-10-24 6:39 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2024-08-07 11:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-07 12:03 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-08-07 12:16 ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-08 2:01 ` Richard Stallman
2024-08-08 6:51 ` Joel Reicher
2024-08-07 12:31 ` Christopher Dimech
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