From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: pietru@caramail.com Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#48580: Outline Mode using Phylogenetic Tree Nomenclature Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 10:41:03 +0200 Message-ID: References: <83fsyfkx3u.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="8552"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 48580@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat May 22 10:42:17 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lkND6-00022F-Nb for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 22 May 2021 10:42:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48848 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lkND5-0000DG-Fe for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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Sat, 22 May 2021 10:41:03 +0200 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: <83fsyfkx3u.fsf@gnu.org> X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:wt18aQd5tBUDW9t47DoY0HK2sqaRAg+uI0HfUrYQw8r1IIWvI2+4i13zmbwxwJLdaIEh7 KedASVvvLXA1nM2ixBXNSY8zQlM6HLaHdxpYw2tUU5fSmoeAYHHWWiAsR+fJ1qIup8J9DT2qeBKb 2LIo6U9U58ZMRmBe+JHSoNKDbmSS8lDUTgfxf0BPz3L/uNRQFE0Qh2+uJ2YOCOeOe7eHI9/1mod1 LpmCwQW2movBT/f7BgR/XTFd/0Q2C0fVM1JMMdYsX3IHfKpHAg01d2036NAkOtu7OYt+Uw8ER/x4 c0= X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:LEWiZpx9CAU=:u1VX9uoav6pRK9K4ScrWe1 sXlFxixlurw5e2f/ARC7qvHCJcmQahLhUpxAK8Hz47i6QGTZb1jD/K/VYv9SCftWysC9K+q2r Ft45BrWoOPfSmRGN/SwoGUpU/7qxrRQLbd/O2MgWrt6SN551yYe9nf47ciZnsAbweF+iY11tP pcUoHcLUouxGPMtcZdk0eb4GB77LtkrcQ7ju35M2utVMMWVoiRfkv+rvzZBQh0rO6/wLRtOgs 7b/J4uE7xeEMACtNaa7lRJNYkkDVSwTkMEiY08Vo/iJcAD7fuwGMic6id1HK9PZIUX2c/C6Ou 6tbLRLXjdDcMBSoR5XzqycI0wPtr2/mmSbQTU05AlaNhxl4WGI5/roAKO6gmZ2nRwt/9Fl3MW +c/B2iPlDRmkOmYbgiW6vX4zzvO2P8lWZ14TbhDhcEWdntelQyw/omHvhdXk391lNvWUaDfPY UmLwgGBLO6XPl6gG0JhLTk3/EWnVC/tL5+eo92GmH5gcSKSnoJxRJBZJnZGcvcwxkutlXWboA WcLYf2+Kj/p3dKAXzdm1GS/OPzN+XFhAJTFL1HAEA/OMug6eQFE4S9Sdv3WkB+FVlWMZUKWwA Md8X9t7yhI5U/3x+8300xv1w3ohy7wpqW0a+Au1OW7jrixixyslU87XALaK0pOws2ynBmdSnH wFe5f3k1jsY6dpCrhso7xP0wqltKe+2HQ365FDFiOEL7w0s5Ez2fvA4CavRS2lT6ZxG5MjhQm t5f9ySo2hIGWujT/eTXjxARfOTV2jOcNHpMWAl76wSS/5x9n4B0gYw0C/lKqq6R1oAZlwxgr X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:207019 Archived-At: The more familiar (emacs) names can be put in the description and mouse po= p-up description. But internally, a more formal system implemented. I do not see that developers thought about tree structures in a formal man= ner (e.g. leaves, branches). Leaves are not bodies, and branches are not subh= eadings. We are getting even more people thinking badly about tree structures, and = having other developers get used to faulty nomenclature. What can be changed so that there could be some changes that can be handle= d, but not too excessive? There exists a really thought up system that outline shoul= d adopt. It would need documentation for others to understand. There can also be a deprecation process. Regards Peter > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 8:10 PM > From: "Eli Zaretskii" > To: pietru@caramail.com > Cc: 48580@debbugs.gnu.org > Subject: bug#48580: Outline Mode using Phylogenetic Tree Nomenclature > > > From: pietru@caramail.com > > Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 09:56:15 +0200 > > Sensitivity: Normal > > > > I advise and lay out a system based on a formal Phylogenetic Tree that= implement > > Show-Hide Options. > > > > Show All (currently: Show All [unchanged]) > > Show Offsprings (currently: Show Children) > > Show Descendants (currently: Show Branches) > > Show Sub-Tree (currently: Show Subtree [unchanged]) > > Show Common Level (currently: Hide Sublevels) > > > > Hide Sub-Branches (currently: Hide Leaves - meaning Hide Body after he= ading) > > Hide Branches (currently: Hide Body, leaves all headings visible) > > Hide Current Branch (currently: Hide Entry - hide body of this heading= ) > > Hide Sub-Tree (currently: Hide Subtree [unchanged]) > > Hide Other (currently: Hide Other [unchanged]) > > FWIW, if I were presented with the menu labels as you suggest, I'd be > mightily confused by the unfamiliar terminology. "Branches", > "Levels", "Children", and "Tree" are familiar terms when dealing with > tree structures, whereas "Offsprings", "Descendants" and > "Sub-branches" aren't. > > > >