From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: daniela-spit@gmx.it Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#44935: Emacs inserts hardwired org-agenda-files variable, overwriting user options Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2020 18:53:46 +0100 Message-ID: References: <837dq4mcb1.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="35021"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 44935@debbugs.gnu.org To: Jean Louis Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 29 18:56:42 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kjQwD-0008zU-3i for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 29 Nov 2020 18:56:41 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45652 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kjQwC-0007r8-6P for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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Sun, 29 Nov 2020 18:53:46 +0100 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:81P+jpeNf/1uWpE8QPXqBG1vOBeQrL95vAHWleQZx4GJab1Wzi3DK6K/a8LFaFI+w7PHC sAfWE4wclpTSedT0/sjYPVx+B61tkOonEYOILpJqer254rbuewalgSP0v4C4vTxB+67g0JlYD1Ow glbaxNCbNc0xyJc/CKdu7itqkZbX+qbJoZWSZolrWYlxh12PR0PcUqrCQwA9Zok9OT6ZKwvYESB+ QgFuqxl35MZ5zSZRu0RcmBAI67N2PaeaWBczPpR8xkAKyZNGQjJt8lKG5RXmtLiPzpSqKOZcswYO No= X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:yid/QJCwR58=:MDt2ozDppPFYxLGzefjoUR HsZb9Ya3jQlBIiOsab5magv5QvtFN/oABQJkRPO/YjhBpztO4aufiBIz9LFpJDOb7qixWogvc iYiSjl5PTcNKbRqvwgO2CDzyElAOqZiGGVbRpbHMX9oqbhF04jCn8aEQQKuRuASbNvGW4sNgt yEVNo93BwpbPjwFLzQOb9uDfaCf+4NL1NlUEciH20pqpWvDvLKQ0KCxVuWtHAUcbqZEZfchWb rQVIdrXxagAoIBSsB37bSQpdRlVunRCkBMoz5HFgABmWX0FgAsjlLsCVZOxxN1TWAiEhl0rpF z+i73a2nuCrrHMnmW3Rmd+gAYHzAF3JQyJ43N8Ml4xKjdwhDHbUyu4hyzmnfd0w5zWkkrDsWj Q/Ud+abeWuH0Fo2P4y/cSc+DIjddvZa9+D2ENIVtnUovX/Ya9qGBnPs57V7IRQS2icUcyf1MA 0wC/4p2ULo+GgHGh9JcyqYuqpcjbLKdrhG2uMHj46TonMnN3pce/+dKTk/RqxDFMNWFYY5ylr 3zCQekTZFOKl+yXrdidAm7woXAJaItE4wux6ElSRDDkxFTTa3LXAHSYkPQ2mZhedUIyEe68Kb 6s/qmLYWBxNvM= X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:194577 Archived-At: > Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 6:22 PM > From: "Jean Louis" > To: daniela-spit@gmx.it > Cc: "Eli Zaretskii" , 44935@debbugs.gnu.org > Subject: Re: bug#44935: Emacs inserts hardwired org-agenda-files variabl= e, overwriting user options > > * daniela-spit@gmx.it [2020-11-29 20:02]: > > Correct, everything tells you it is part of Emacs. Then one sends a r= eport and people > > start sending in in a long winded road to find the appropriate > > channel. > > We can consider those features of reporting bugs still in > development. I never knew since recently that there are various > reporting bug functions. You can discover it easier by using > completion such as ivy package. For new users? Will never happen. Put the mailing lists in the damn webpag= e, categorising them if necessary, but having them so anybody can see them. Furthermore, Org is so integrated in Emacs that a large part of the user community would not be in a position to determine whether it is a problem of Emacs or Org. > There is: > > - report-calc-bug > - calc-report-bug > - c-submit-bug-report > - TeX-submit-bug-report > - org and Emacs maybe others > > > You look at "Emacs Asking for help" and "Emacs Reporting bugs" and you= get only two things > > help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org and bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org. Have been following= discussions here > > and people herd together telling others they are doing everything back= wards. And insisting > > everything is fine, makes serious people not happy at all. I do not w= ant to hurt anyone, > > but there exists a wall between maintainers and users who basically us= e Gnu Tools to do > > something else. > > Users could assign to themselves specific level such as Beginner, > Intermediate, Advance and God. God does not exist, get used to it! Look, if you put the various lists th= ere, people would use them. Making things difficult only wakes people give Ema= cs the finger rather than concluding the developers are smart. Does this not bot= her Gnu Admins? > Beginner would be welcomed to submit bugs and kindly explained that > there exists specialized mailing list with more people able to help > it. > > Intermediate user would be simply told to go somewhere else. > > Advanced user would be anyway submitting patches and be active in > Emacs development, so there would be no problem with this level. > > God would never tell anything to anybody just as what is usual that > God does, I guess M-x something... As long as developers continue thinking they are gods. they will get no respect. Grow up and do it quick!