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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:260940 Archived-At: > Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 11:22 PM > From: "Karl Fogel" > To: "James Lu" > Cc: rms@gnu=2Eorg, emacs-devel@gnu=2Eorg > Subject: Re: Let's make Emacs mainstream (through org-mode) > > On 15 Dec 2020, James Lu wrote: > >I spent months of my life researching todo app=2E > > > >Every single todo list app would approximate some person's ideal todo > >list app, but every person complained it was missing one=C2=A0feature t= hey > >needed=2E > >Emacs org-mode solves this problem=2E > > > >Either=C2=A0an app had too few buttons or too many buttons=2E > >Emacs org-mode solves this problem=2E > > > >Let's stop messing with code=2E > > > >Let's start hacking=2E > > > >Clever hacking is doing the impossible=2E > >Let's start writing GFDL guides and selling them=2E > >Let's start selling support plans=2E > >Let's start making Emacs org-mode a hot trend=2E > >Let's make the website RMS suggested where you can ask questions on > >org-mode, and see public answers=2E > > > >Who's with me? >=20 > Org Mode is very powerful, and some of the ideas you list above could be= successful=2E I encourage you to try them! But I think asking "Who's wit= h me?" is not a route to making them happen=2E As Eli Zaretskii replied to= an earlier post of yours back in September [1]: >=20 > > Nothing in Emacs gets done because someone asks a "why not do this > > and that?" question=2E We don't have a means to tell some employee = to > > do this and that job=2E For a job to get done, someone motivated > > enough should sit down and do it=2E The best candidate for that is > > whoever raises the issue in the first place, but of course not > > everyone who proposes something can actually implement it=2E There have been times where discussions led to significant improvements, b= ut mostly=20 concerned peripheral discussions where many could benefit - e=2Eg=2E, texi= nfo output mathematical expressions using Mathjax=2E For user specific things, one c= an get help implementing an idea=2E The person raising the problem is almost always m= ore productive when that same person works on it=2E Otherwise it would be a gamble that = can easily lead to disappointments=2E =20 =20 > Best regards, > -Karl >=20 > [1] https://lists=2Egnu=2Eorg/archive/html/emacs-devel/2020-09/msg02110= =2Ehtml >=20 >