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envelope-from=dimech@gmx.com; helo=mout.gmx.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:130174 Archived-At: > Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 at 11:31 PM > From: "Jean Louis" > To: "Christopher Dimech" > Cc: moasenwood@zoho=2Eeu, help-gnu-emacs@gnu=2Eorg > Subject: Re: Use Emacs as the IDE for Wolfram Mathematica=2E > > * Christopher Dimech [2021-05-24 12:35]: > > > (=E2=9C=BF=E2=95=B9=E2=97=A1=E2=95=B9) Maybe misconception is on my = side or your side, I believe it is > > > in your side=2E > >=20 > > Read more ;) >=20 > > > gcc is free compiler, and people could make proprietary software wit= h > > > it=2E But such proprietary software does not change the gcc and not > > > necessarily depend on gcc to get run, but as soon as it depend on so= me > > > GPL component, then it cannot be made proprietary=2E > >=20 > > The license only limits you on what you can distribute, nothing > > else=2E >=20 > It limits you, among other limitations, to distribute free software > program as combined with proprietary program=2E >=20 > It limits you, among other limitations, to make a combined program > with a free software program, unless the free software program is > licensed under the LGPL=2E >=20 > Otherwise you cannot make proprietary program combined with GPL-ed > program=2E Correct, only when combined=2E =20 =20 > > > Now CLISP, Guile, and other programming languages may be GNU GPL > > > software=2E When you make a program to be run by Guile, CLISP, those > > > programs could be proprietary software as they do not change nor > > > modify the Guile, nor CLISP=2E They are just executed by free > > > software=2E But the overall result depends of components used in the > > > program, you cannot just include GPL components as you wish and want > > > in your proprietary program=2E > > >=20 > > > Would the Emacs Lisp program be exclusively run from command line as > > > run by Emacs as programming language then such program could be > > > licensed as proprietary software=2E But that also would depend if yo= ur > > > program is using the GPL components or not, which most probably woul= d > > > use=2E > > >=20 > > > (=E2=8C=90=E2=96=A0_=E2=96=A0) So the question is answered here: > > > https://www=2Egnu=2Eorg/licenses/gpl-faq=2Ehtml#IfInterpreterIsGPL > > >=20 > > > If you just interpret the Emacs Lisp, it is fine, but question is, d= o > > > you bind to GPL components? Most probably you do=2E > > >=20 > > > Would you make an Emacs Lisp program that does not bind to any of th= e > > > GPL components then such program could be proprietary=2E But if you = do > > > bind to any components, it cannot be proprietary=2E > >=20 > > > For example, if you do something like: > > >=20 > > > (require 'seq) > >=20 > > You can certainly do that as long as you do not distribute seq with it= in > > a proprietary blob=2E What you cannot do is limit what people can do = with > > seq=2E >=20 > People can do anything, we speak what is allowed by the license, now > what one can do=2E The license of a GPL program does not allow making a > combined program with it and not license it under same terms=2E I was not talking about combined programs=2E I was discussing writing a package distributed separately with a proprietary license=2E=20 =20 > I am asking you to make your homework first, as it is not good > spreading misleading information on the mailing list that remains in > the public forever=2E It is not misleading as you state=2E =20 > Read: > https://en=2Ewikipedia=2Eorg/wiki/GNU_Lesser_General_Public_License >=20 > Quote: >=20 > The GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) is a free-software > license published by the Free Software Foundation (FSF)=2E The license > allows developers and companies to use and integrate a software > component released under the LGPL into their own (even proprietary) > software without being required by the terms of a strong copyleft > license to release the source code of their own components=2E However, > any developer who modifies an LGPL-covered component is required to > make their modified version available under the same LGPL license=2E For > proprietary software, code under the LGPL is usually used in the form > of a shared library, so that there is a clear separation between the > proprietary and LGPL components=2E The LGPL is primarily used for > software libraries, although it is also used by some stand-alone > applications=2E=20 >=20 > Read: > https://en=2Ewikipedia=2Eorg/wiki/GNU_Lesser_General_Public_License#Diff= erences_from_the_GPL >=20 > Emacs is not LGPL, and license does not allow combining code with > proprietary programs=2E So, no, you cannot require 'seq or any other > Emacs library in a proprietary program without violation of the GPL=2E >=20 > --=20 > Jean >=20 > Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: > https://www=2Efsf=2Eorg/campaigns >=20 > Sign an open letter in support of Richard M=2E Stallman > https://stallmansupport=2Eorg/ >