Writing article in italian

Writing article in italian

[steve-humphreys]

Am writing an article in italian and custamalily use @-commands for the
appropriate accented letters.  Texinfo has the @documentlanguage command.

How should I proceed, and would I need to continue using @-commands
for accenting letters.

Re: Writing article in italian

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: steve-humphreys@gmx.com
> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2021 19:51:12 +0100
> 
> Am writing an article in italian and custamalily use @-commands for the
> appropriate accented letters.  Texinfo has the @documentlanguage command.
> 
> How should I proceed, and would I need to continue using @-commands
> for accenting letters.

I think you should be able to type the accented letters directly if
you use @documentencoding UTF-8.

Re: Writing article in italian

[steve-humphreys]

How can I do that in Emacs?




> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2021 at 7:17 AM
> From: "Eli Zaretskii" <eliz@gnu.org>
> To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: Writing article in italian
>
> > From: steve-humphreys@gmx.com
> > Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2021 19:51:12 +0100
> >
> > Am writing an article in italian and custamalily use @-commands for the
> > appropriate accented letters.  Texinfo has the @documentlanguage command.
> >
> > How should I proceed, and would I need to continue using @-commands
> > for accenting letters.
>
> I think you should be able to type the accented letters directly if
> you use @documentencoding UTF-8.
>
>

Re: Writing article in italian

[Leo Butler]

steve-humphreys@gmx.com writes:

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> Am writing an article in italian and custamalily use @-commands for the
> appropriate accented letters.  Texinfo has the @documentlanguage command.
>
> How should I proceed, and would I need to continue using @-commands
> for accenting letters.

You don't *need* to use the @-commands. If you set the document encoding
correctly, you can use an extended character set:

E.g.

@documentencoding UTF-8

There is more information in the texinfo manual:

C-h i d m texinfo C-m i documentencoding C-m

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For most output formats, this just works. For TeX output, you may need
to use

\DeclareUnicodeCharacter{<char>}{<macro>}

to define a mapping from the character with codepoint <char> (in
hexadecimal) to a TeX macro. E.g.

\DeclareUnicodeCharacter{3b1}{\alpha} % α

Leo

Re: Writing article in italian

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: steve-humphreys@gmx.com
> Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2021 20:41:45 +0100
> 
> How can I do that in Emacs?

Add a line like this:

  @documentencoding UTF-8

near the beginning of the document, preferably right after
@documentlanguage.

Re: Writing article in italian

[Leo Butler]

steve-humphreys@gmx.com writes:

>
> How can I do that in Emacs?

There are at least two ways:

1. Use the C-x 8 prefix:

C-x 8 ^ e
==> ê

(For more info, try C-x 8 C-h, you will see a *Help* buffer open that
you can scroll through).

2. Define abbreviations for the particular mode you are using. In your
texinfo buffer, just do:

M-x edit-abbrevs C-m

and insert the abbreviations you want.

Best,
Leo

Re: Writing article in italian

[steve-humphreys]

Thank you Leo, that's exactly what I needed.

> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2021 at 8:24 AM
> From: "Leo Butler" <leo.butler@umanitoba.ca>
> To: steve-humphreys@gmx.com
> Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: Writing article in italian
>
> steve-humphreys@gmx.com writes:
> 
> >
> > How can I do that in Emacs?
> 
> There are at least two ways:
> 
> 1. Use the C-x 8 prefix:
> 
> C-x 8 ^ e
> ==> ê
> 
> (For more info, try C-x 8 C-h, you will see a *Help* buffer open that
> you can scroll through).
> 
> 2. Define abbreviations for the particular mode you are using. In your
> texinfo buffer, just do:
> 
> M-x edit-abbrevs C-m
> 
> and insert the abbreviations you want.
> 
> Best,
> Leo
> 
>

Re: Writing article in italian

[Robert Pluim]

>>>>> On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 21:38:58 +0100, steve-humphreys@gmx.com said:

    steve-humphreys> Thank you Leo, that's exactly what I needed.
    >> > How can I do that in Emacs?
    >> 
    >> There are at least two ways:
    >> 
    >> 1. Use the C-x 8 prefix:
    >> 
    >> C-x 8 ^ e
    >> ==> ê
    >> 

The C-x 8 method is complete, but somewhat cumbersome. You might
prefer using input methods, eg

C-\ italian-postfix

allows you to type

e'

and have it automatically be inserted as é

Thereʼs a whole host of input methods available, including ones that
cover all the latin accented characters, rather than just the Italian
ones. (info "(emacs)Input Methods") describes the details (including
how to activate input methods automatically).

Robert

Re: Writing article in italian

[Gian Uberto Lauri]

>>>>> "RP" == Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com> writes:

RP> The C-x 8 method is complete, but somewhat cumbersome. You might
RP> prefer using input methods, eg

RP> C-\ italian-postfix

RP> allows you to type

RP> e'

RP> and have it automatically be inserted as é

The "italian-postfix" is indeed the best solution (using compose keys
is even better IMHO). But if you use it only within Emacs is the best
and more reliable solution.

BTW, all that is good provided you have a keyboard with an easy to use
bacquote character, since most of accents in Italian are grave ones.

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Re: Writing article in italian

[Robert Pluim]

>>>>> On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 11:10:08 +0100, "Gian Uberto Lauri" <saint@eng.it> said:

>>>>> "RP" == Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com> writes:
    RP> The C-x 8 method is complete, but somewhat cumbersome. You might
    RP> prefer using input methods, eg

    RP> C-\ italian-postfix

    RP> allows you to type

    RP> e'

    RP> and have it automatically be inserted as é

    saint> The "italian-postfix" is indeed the best solution (using compose keys
    saint> is even better IMHO). But if you use it only within Emacs is the best
    saint> and more reliable solution.

Everyone has their preferences. Note also that along with the C-x 8
map, you also get a set of A- bindings which might be easier to use
(A- being ALT). And for yet more options: emacs-28 adds two new input
methods, 'compose' and 'iso-translate', which correspond to the X11 Compose
and C-x 8 methods, but without a prefix key. Choice is good :-)

    saint> BTW, all that is good provided you have a keyboard with an easy to use
    saint> bacquote character, since most of accents in Italian are grave ones.

(keyboard-translate ?' ?`)
(keyboard-translate ?` ?')

(I have no idea what a real Italian keyboard looks like)

Robert

Re: Writing article in italian

[steve-humphreys]

Is there any command et insert letters with accent from my Emacs Init File
such as "e`"?.

> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2021 at 10:50 PM
> From: "Robert Pluim" <rpluim@gmail.com>
> To: "Gian Uberto Lauri" <saint@eng.it>
> Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, steve-humphreys@gmx.com, "Leo Butler" <leo.butler@umanitoba.ca>
> Subject: Re: Writing article in italian
>
> >>>>> On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 11:10:08 +0100, "Gian Uberto Lauri" <saint@eng.it> said:
> 
> >>>>> "RP" == Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com> writes:
>     RP> The C-x 8 method is complete, but somewhat cumbersome. You might
>     RP> prefer using input methods, eg
> 
>     RP> C-\ italian-postfix
> 
>     RP> allows you to type
> 
>     RP> e'
> 
>     RP> and have it automatically be inserted as é
> 
>     saint> The "italian-postfix" is indeed the best solution (using compose keys
>     saint> is even better IMHO). But if you use it only within Emacs is the best
>     saint> and more reliable solution.
> 
> Everyone has their preferences. Note also that along with the C-x 8
> map, you also get a set of A- bindings which might be easier to use
> (A- being ALT). And for yet more options: emacs-28 adds two new input
> methods, 'compose' and 'iso-translate', which correspond to the X11 Compose
> and C-x 8 methods, but without a prefix key. Choice is good :-)
> 
>     saint> BTW, all that is good provided you have a keyboard with an easy to use
>     saint> bacquote character, since most of accents in Italian are grave ones.
> 
> (keyboard-translate ?' ?`)
> (keyboard-translate ?` ?')
> 
> (I have no idea what a real Italian keyboard looks like)
> 
> Robert
> 
>

Re: Writing article in italian

[Robert Pluim]

>>>>> On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 17:28:11 +0100, steve-humphreys@gmx.com said:

    steve-humphreys> Is there any command et insert letters with accent from my Emacs Init File
    steve-humphreys> such as "e`"?.

Iʼm not sure I understand. If you want to programatically insert è,
then you just do

(insert ?è)

or even

(insert ?\N{LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH GRAVE})

Robert

Re: Writing article in italian

[steve-humphreys]

Yes, that's what I liked to do.  Thanks.

> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 4:57 AM
> From: "Robert Pluim" <rpluim@gmail.com>
> To: steve-humphreys@gmx.com
> Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, "Gian Uberto Lauri" <saint@eng.it>, "Leo Butler" <leo.butler@umanitoba.ca>
> Subject: Re: Writing article in italian
>
> >>>>> On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 17:28:11 +0100, steve-humphreys@gmx.com said:
> 
>     steve-humphreys> Is there any command et insert letters with accent from my Emacs Init File
>     steve-humphreys> such as "e`"?.
> 
> Iʼm not sure I understand. If you want to programatically insert è,
> then you just do
> 
> (insert ?è)
> 
> or even
> 
> (insert ?\N{LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH GRAVE})
> 
> Robert
>

Re: Writing article in italian

[Jean Louis]

May use M-x set-input-method and M-x describe-input-method and try to find one of italian* input methods that work well your keyboard, so you will get scented letters easily. I use that all the time.



On January 15, 2021 5:06:51 PM UTC, steve-humphreys@gmx.com wrote:
>Yes, that's what I liked to do.  Thanks.
>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 4:57 AM
>> From: "Robert Pluim" <rpluim@gmail.com>
>> To: steve-humphreys@gmx.com
>> Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, "Gian Uberto Lauri" <saint@eng.it>, "Leo
>Butler" <leo.butler@umanitoba.ca>
>> Subject: Re: Writing article in italian
>>
>> >>>>> On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 17:28:11 +0100, steve-humphreys@gmx.com
>said:
>> 
>>     steve-humphreys> Is there any command et insert letters with
>accent from my Emacs Init File
>>     steve-humphreys> such as "e`"?.
>> 
>> Iʼm not sure I understand. If you want to programatically insert è,
>> then you just do
>> 
>> (insert ?è)
>> 
>> or even
>> 
>> (insert ?\N{LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH GRAVE})
>> 
>> Robert
>>