From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Christopher Dimech Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Quote by Knuth Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2021 19:41:30 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87r1gbdr6d.fsf@zoho.eu> <2580994.tdkEFGMlJ5@galex-713.eu> <87a6mohoie.fsf@zoho.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="7278"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: moasenwood@zoho.eu Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 14 19:44:28 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m3ivr-0001gm-W9 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2021 19:44:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49754 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m3ivq-0002xx-SD for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2021 13:44:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55898) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m3it4-0007i0-TJ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2021 13:41:35 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.18]:34003) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m3it3-0008SP-1A for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2021 13:41:34 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1626284490; bh=FF5j6nySCaDnmzDDEng/9phO1YTap+T6GlVGwfPgmJI=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=CySgGtZbR2G8HdGflyAc/7R9FONe2ht0Z6Qzd+YDmc8Y/xY2AQPQSCIOsgEacrjNH x0g/6IqISKrTARYJlQv5xlvBs5x/HZ8ErEBZs3stTuF4xPUuM8pjonfTqC3n9yYog3 0TDjxFB/Wqa0nE+pjafeJ2PdnJ2LrIM7lAD/xLgs= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Original-Received: from [92.251.40.31] ([92.251.40.31]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs04.server.lan [172.19.170.170]) (via HTTP); Wed, 14 Jul 2021 19:41:30 +0200 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: <87a6mohoie.fsf@zoho.eu> X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:/rW1NabuuAZH2pdee/mAGV2C3Vk8ghn6qY3p/LDJN72biWH1ElyExmLZdt4ebPIX2PHDx FJpdTTIcfYwNAnZL5jv5/V75ecjZFIXwOJhvbgiGPTDFTelHBGV9yuMg+FrDIeVt9YMWkdo/Mldv YyksfRK8UvJBD1i1IFwu0G8JZTA/ewy6gQVlk3ALwImwgdNTtA24nAuTEI+r3sAwy+mfAyHbaKU4 pHaPNmASJzf5YLfvYIq6eydvBqRd7kY2PZFcTadMCfs+LTF4g6zhw26+XI4rU1CtTwjqskDQuQhh sM= X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:lGLUXSCHOmI=:5BVQTyup3t0Q14CrivsmoE g3YApnAaPuAMt0zQqI2xz7Z0GGFd+PWDLmL39GbFEnIjIaCqnQLwN7FI7tXeet91T4d7zaopq Sw+G43vnTP5kT4uDl+65HFVX6ZNn7oLpLl0CqDY0Ydv7L3pcnQ1dlwr70yNrLZ9oLb75x0qC+ YeFTXmw9fr4IkOgbugy8Le6sH/iHB4voqAdP5EPhLudwvpO76GdM3po865vwEex9+OaAagbXd CXxAiRsBOJCQ1PQIAsLPB/+zAsagPE7kN5FYde/76AFwwzyxT8v9Q/6PohIn4s64TQXHyEnN7 /7Osu48W6Jbyy3r0Az7+4MaLTJIRK7+pU6tp7TdByGVMRtP6BUXpmUIY2GD2UO4YSJYmEq2hz TEH4mcrWaLoLgrBm1u4W5RZG0BB0fvoJ4U9F53vxgf0XevLXdM3SXee0aErzIX54tB20v1Y9o llZnB0D4LXKnpgzcLidVz4GbpbHVrplkCTXFrORJlIIeVDttqlKcdNSzS5T8OjR7sav5Pv26r nRDlMkzMBm/HnY+f+M8H5MdkWd5VjW0xjmGPJ/5KE14nhVcfL1naouRBwzVrPSmOf9ccTgdjh /0fAKMvFC5hWgvFjIni9Lm36sYO+ARTEiRaPa8AvMU091nbkkuOF1EGuqI7wYYMqe6sNLyunB QFfX5Sqa+c7aJG+zedDGgPdThgEOv7AkKvFYbzi4JioIMy7XlzUe4JryaIVatGsHQeDAoiFf6 NPse8gi+unZmwF9d1HM1g+bkgvUUh4gY6Hn7siGj3X9U2CUT0hHJKVLJhFokWJXjtg41W7xp Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.15.18; envelope-from=dimech@gmx.com; helo=mout.gmx.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:131699 Archived-At: > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 4:02 AM > From: "Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor" > To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > Subject: Re: Quote by Knuth > > Alexandre Garreau wrote: > > > We should count LaTeX programmers and org-mode users, > > I think these are most of that population. > > OK, because they use natural language? I don't remember a lot > of natural language (e.g., English) in LaTeX if you exclude > the text of the actual document to be produced, but that > doesn't influence the actual programming part, does it? No. Disregard Latex. Orgmode is literate because you can run code among real prose. > > I'm not even sure of what's the count of programmers > > worldwide already so well > > First one needs a definition, then a way of counting or > a method of approximating how many people fulfill > that definition. > > One can count professional programmers - that doesn't > necessarily say so much about their ability, just that they > earn money from doing it - and one can also count the number > of people who have an education within the field. Those with formal education is a good metric for relatively knowledgeable programmers > Maybe from that number, one can assume something like, for > every such person, 99 additional people know how to do it. > > > Millions could indeed be a great exageration > > One should remove such statements ("millions"), or replace it > with "several", perhaps... > > -- > underground experts united > https://dataswamp.org/~incal > > >