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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:308597 Archived-At: > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 2:46 PM > From: "Richard Stallman" > To: "Dmitry Gutov" > Cc: esr@thyrsus.com, luangruo@yahoo.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Subject: Re: Shrinking the C core > > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > There are occasiona when it is useful, for added flexibility, > to move some function from C to Lisp. However, stability > is an important goal for Emacs, so we should not even try > to move large amounts of code to Lisp just for the sake > of moving code to Lisp. > > The rate at whic we have added features already causes significant > instability. I concur. Have been suggesting to have a basic version of emacs that woul= d be considered complete and stable, while minimizing the risk of instability due to featu= re additions. Every project should have such aim and achieve it. Clearly, the core requ= irements must be well defined, and the scope limited in terms of the essential features = to fulfill its primary purpose. Maintaining emacs for it to do everything could halt its= continued development structure. Especially if it cannot be reasonable handled by a= few people. > -- > Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) > Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) > Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) > Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) > > > >