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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:322563 Archived-At: > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2024 at 8:24 PM > From: "Emanuel Berg" > To: emacs-devel@gnu.org > Subject: Re: how to speed up Lisp devel time > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > >> One thing one could try is to replace boring, trivial stuff > >> with non-Lisp syntax and have that embedded. [...] > > > > Why do you need that? > > It is faster to type (fewer chars), and easier to edit, and > more easy to read because not so packed with parenthesis. > Overall faster, less error-prone. > > Another example could be, instead `let'/`let*', "wet": > > (wet > var1 0 > var2 (some-lisp) > ) > > It is always like `let*' so no more annoying errors based > on that! We simple need the additional tools that go beyond the traditional ways of reading source code. I suggest incorporating the functionality of rainbow-delimiters into core emacs so that the functionality is automat= ic. That solves the difficulties mentioned. > It comes in two forms, either > > (wet > var1 0 > var2 (some-lisp) > (some-lisp-body) > ) > > where var1 and var2 would be bound in the Lisp > (some-lisp-body), or just > > (wet > var1 0 > var2 (some-lisp) > ) > > Where they would be valid for the rest of where ever you place > it - the rest of the `defun', for example. > > -- > underground experts united > https://dataswamp.org/~incal > > >