From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Christopher Dimech Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Auto Fill Comments Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2020 23:38:15 +0100 Message-ID: References: <83pn3zp8bu.fsf@gnu.org> <20201127160216.GA27998@tuxteam.de> <20201127175346.GB27998@tuxteam.de> <87zh324fa9.fsf@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="16351"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Michael Heerdegen Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 27 23:40:36 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kimPs-0004AL-Fd for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 27 Nov 2020 23:40:36 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60768 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kimPq-00071t-Vk for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 27 Nov 2020 17:40:35 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49204) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kimNg-00071h-3Z for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Nov 2020 17:38:20 -0500 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.15]:34025) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kimNd-0003f3-VG for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Nov 2020 17:38:19 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1606516695; bh=OrLa/D79uQfH+7/AUbVsFPzmNz6EwcZIIqrPY1EnZEE=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=ErCXVziERCZBhVK2tYh0mxqjkTni8yMM2FsPIotbjORctHF2U6WCikb58LdoFyrv2 /Z1K12pfsLMPeOIrHTaiA5HLiGiRBudB4aOYDND9GY5/aIoAaHM1gEGv/ZKw++6Dp/ HOcNS+5KaKiruPE8QQhNPpXELxeRfpnRGqnoBd4o= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Original-Received: from [213.165.168.94] ([213.165.168.94]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs12.server.lan [172.19.170.180]) (via HTTP); Fri, 27 Nov 2020 23:38:15 +0100 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: <87zh324fa9.fsf@web.de> X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:6tmB3QfHdsBrR9pTmSOIwRD8S5ehPQ02HNYCFhg5hTzPlwA9+0vBT7lRP1F7sVcoWeV30 PORfWINgmSwK6PomhmF05+4TukIankinX76hE9WUeSgj+cwYtEwrlo7n+0YeVJRAgtcGbNDuC0YV Sp52p7X5gGXpMGO1lCzrHyfu+mK96jFFh9adaVT3THENk1TsnYlN6Yr9MvJ1bWQmRrk2HGWu6TVh y805fXyYWNY4710UVP+ttoe+8H4mbO/+LRfE4aY63UDc/5xlYJ8/glcGa6pt+uiG8axOKus/IRwr eM= X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:mPClXvzLNZI=:YXekIKPvsXNhm1XeVnU9k6 dqe0CfZFuKyJdNuEcFLaOWqPiuokygN0m+W4lqNI6+FCHO6vOZXBjxzoEE5UorRoE5G1I7CXt oO/7D4m0TEex/8y4eAyiR+iOQtbfS272EzOHlZtvH9HJRGEiMp8WBgyJXtZQwRe/6qlMGW9T0 IhHImxmQmITb380B0aLZQoXXq5T4k9LprhaFKjKRSS1wTEY9j4g+2w4dIuOc+p74orA36WB4s mAH0tk1GmkIvhXNxUJooaNuHVVeiUeyd6Ei3ctw6Yg2NNlQA8Qp6HXIumGh+YxGsNiHVyA4cW mU3jijvN6ojBK0bPENGoIkaPXrutkZpKHgjy3XMjh4wBZpk3UJGh9diI9+lgjW9qOWMicBZVM OV2V2hcF9K/eVlbvKym8hf8SmGzbev7sB/yE8i60tLJPzmTrdZWxQwXzAPzOUKR1G3eH97m3d piEdMKz5ihujwXgFT4o9mzq6SNVGdlSu9Zc2SFdbDvcL5AAnRaFuei2O8opUchNaxCSF+rg5v n+uCkBcRAdzXi3YJWM/FYydklnR7x7btMF3SJgYzdOK6JPt/mMLRcp74aOR29/Eg3fLSsVIRc t3He+Rcs4vOuk= Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.15.15; envelope-from=dimech@gmx.com; helo=mout.gmx.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:125703 Archived-At: > Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 at 11:15 PM > From: "Michael Heerdegen" > To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > Subject: Re: Auto Fill Comments > > Christopher Dimech writes: > > > Agreed. But telling users that one does not work for them is > > excessive, to say the least. > > Taking care of this manual is excessive. I have much respect for > the work Eli is doing. Quite correct, got to be a group effort. We can only write on things we u= nderstand. Yes, writing takes a lot of time. Never said he should do it all personal= ly. But as he is the maintainer, he can put that on the todo list and make that pu= blic. > You can never write a manual that fits everyone's expectations. It fits > mine quite well. Yours not, obviously. It fits up to a certain level. In source code it is more problematic as the first try has always been to get to a solution and do it quickly. I know some who started to work on something else out of frustration, or because they found code which is too complicated. I am talking about extremely bright people here (e.g. Guy Steele, Rich Hickey, Carsten Domini= k, Linus Torvalds). > But guess you are working on that manual over years, for thousands of > hours probably. Say, 90% of people like it, and 10 % don't like it. > What you get is that these 90% post, "hey, I've read that manual, it was > great" and eh - no, ehm, they say... nothing, you seldom hear from them; > and 10% don't like it and are frustrated and tell you it sucks, please > rewrite. They didn't really read it and don't really know what they are > talking about because they can't estimate what it covers and why. > > And if you ask for help everybody is suddenly quiet. I would be pissed > off. I don't know where Eli's motivation comes from. > > Michael. > > >