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From: Christopher Dimech <dimech@gmx.com>
To: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, tsdh@gnu.org, help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Making a function than can only be used interactively
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2022 22:10:36 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <trinity-7f68cd67-d734-4fb6-a863-f8db6dff9b5f-1656965436563@3c-app-mailcom-bs02> (raw)

Jul 4, 2022, 19:40 by monnier@iro.umontreal.ca:

>>>        Only after byte-compile of a file?
>>>        So there is no way to actually make a function interactive only?


>    Please define what it is you mean by "make a function interactive only".

>    Do you mean that it should be illegal to write code that calls the
>    function directly, so whoever writes it can be sued?
>    Would it be acceptable for someone to just think about writing such code
>    as long as they don't actually write it?

>    More seriously, what are you trying to gain by "mak[ing] a function
>    interactive only"? Usually, the reason why one might want to make
>    a function "interactive only" is that code that calls this function is
>    probably incorrect and would likely be served better by some
>    other function.

I could envisage a situation where someone wants to concentrate on the
interactive parts, if taking care of non-interactive use would make the
function difficult to maintain.  I am not sure that it will always be
because of bad design.

>    So the purpose is to help people write better code.
>    For this reason the declaration only has an effect in terms of
>    byte-compiler warnings: those who don't bother to byte-compile their
>    code presumably don't care about the quality of their code anyway.

>    Emacs doesn't offer any pre-defined way to really enforce that
>    a function is only used interactively, and in large parts this is
>    because, as a matter of design principle, Emacs makes no effort to stop
>    people from shooting themselves in the foot (instead, it tries to make
>    it easier for people not to shoot themselves in the foot).

>    Stefan

I also say that it would be better to have declarations that are somewhat
safer for the general elisp user as well.




             reply	other threads:[~2022-07-04 20:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-07-04 20:10 Christopher Dimech [this message]
2022-07-04 20:35 ` Making a function than can only be used interactively Stefan Monnier
2022-07-04 20:46   ` Christopher Dimech
2022-07-04 21:18     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-07-04 21:59       ` Christopher Dimech
2022-07-05 22:34       ` carlmarcos--- via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-07-04 23:42 Christopher Dimech
2022-07-04 21:07 Christopher Dimech
2022-07-04 21:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-07-04 22:05   ` Christopher Dimech
2022-07-04 22:35     ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-07-04 23:33     ` Christopher Dimech
2022-07-04 19:32 Christopher Dimech
2022-07-03 19:16 carlmarcos--- via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-07-03 19:28 ` Bruno Barbier
     [not found] ` <N64WnlX--3-2@missing-mail-id>
2022-07-03 19:36   ` carlmarcos--- via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-07-03 19:53     ` Tassilo Horn
2022-07-03 20:17       ` carlmarcos--- via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-07-04  4:51         ` Tassilo Horn
2022-07-05 23:13       ` Emanuel Berg
2022-07-03 20:14     ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-07-03 20:27       ` carlmarcos--- via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-07-03 20:51       ` carlmarcos--- via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-07-03 21:18         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-07-03 21:29       ` carlmarcos--- via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-07-03 22:01         ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-07-03 22:45           ` carlmarcos--- via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-07-04  1:13             ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]             ` <jwvczelllyq.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org-N65lQ2m----2>
2022-07-04 10:36               ` carlmarcos--- via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-07-04 10:55                 ` Tassilo Horn
2022-07-04 11:43                   ` Christopher Dimech
2022-07-04 13:21                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-07-04 14:08                       ` Robert Pluim
2022-07-04 21:40                       ` Christopher Dimech
2022-07-05 17:35                         ` Jean Louis
2022-07-04 19:17                   ` carlmarcos--- via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-07-04 19:40                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-07-04 19:50                       ` carlmarcos--- via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-07-04 20:45                         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-07-06  0:07                         ` Jean Louis
2022-07-06 20:00                           ` Christopher Dimech
2022-07-06 20:29                             ` Jean Louis
2022-07-07 11:03                               ` Christopher Dimech
2022-07-07 21:06                               ` carlmarcos--- via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-07-07 21:28                                 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-07-07 22:14                                   ` carlmarcos--- via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-07-08  3:40                                     ` Emanuel Berg
2022-07-08  6:08                                     ` Yuri Khan
2022-07-08  6:30                                       ` Emanuel Berg
2022-07-08  6:55                                         ` Yuri Khan
2022-07-08 11:44                                           ` carlmarcos--- via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-07-09  2:05                                             ` Emanuel Berg
2022-07-10  4:33                                             ` Emanuel Berg
2022-07-08 12:06                                           ` carlmarcos--- via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-07-08 12:11                                           ` Christopher Dimech
     [not found]                                           ` <N6Sh4jm--3-2@tutanota.com-N6ShCt5----2>
2022-07-08 12:18                                             ` carlmarcos--- via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-07-08 16:14                                           ` Christopher Dimech
2022-07-04  1:06     ` Po Lu

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