From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Christopher Dimech Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Quote by Knuth Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 18:39:03 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87r1gbdr6d.fsf@zoho.eu> <87o8b4eiyr.fsf@mbork.pl> <87y2a8ecck.fsf@zoho.eu> <87k0lsdsaw.fsf@mbork.pl> <87eebweq7y.fsf@mbork.pl> <87a6mj5ho0.fsf@zoho.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="16483"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: moasenwood@zoho.eu Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 20 18:39:36 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m5smO-00041x-8S for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 20 Jul 2021 18:39:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47172 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m5smN-0001E2-4i for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 20 Jul 2021 12:39:35 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44148) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m5slx-0001Df-Gn for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Jul 2021 12:39:09 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.15]:35873) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m5slt-0001YB-S4 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Jul 2021 12:39:09 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1626799143; bh=tEm3N6U8PnvL9AGU87iXfS3B5M7u71gFPKwX0oHludc=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=XdLDQ15xJlk1tM/DU0Tc6oeIT4gNEulYOl5aqVz9ArQQhi/bOGVuDKee7g1LDRXhM V2AR2rzv4YB2KbiMV4RhVdH2LhRUuSEWHgXepWjdDhjg2EecG25keWQqxt9c+1k3FN uUGij5QJXeVvtU0X8c0nuAikQnwNYMBXHFPUhaYY= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Original-Received: from [92.251.40.31] ([92.251.40.31]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs01.server.lan [172.19.170.58]) (via HTTP); Tue, 20 Jul 2021 18:39:03 +0200 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: <87a6mj5ho0.fsf@zoho.eu> X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:lLmMpkjg+xraIRIwwxagqzWVvA78VPXqbfcEW5VYgU0Q35EVXDldCvS6ORDZKd+8HJjzv x8YuD+b2GpObXnnYNJClsIdpcEQgBFTj8GOWbsmxz7/28yed+oEv/t6g2XFXaN21kj5CV1CobH/v ccGck9bzHWvJ+erifRXBPNRhzFnwgEaf68hqREgk/z8XZ4zaOZFqOqmT91ghx56YGNGub+I58asI 4yhnub4ElmkoFqQMb7lMhvZh6pCNLJTce0OZYxXs2D5EyptD9aQcylrgN6tHkrcfimYHQlOTiZR4 hs= X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:qmJyMJaVrtY=:RJSRCasppZb1O2mhtWzn/d nRyBXKqOIXzmWO9RSlDDasdWnpf6mWroC8h0yTfjixWUuQncuirJxjn+qZfwtHd6hg/5aR4g3 ZCT9FxF+ETw8iXrkTiS/rRWQ/bpVPIWmcBHpJJJYPPVFY822ahqm6xwYvApBgALaQO+LvcbVd UW6JUhukCwdUJeBzRKuWW+aolU9tu8nywpZ00+T++PJHnG0diCOzdzgqG3Ix1YEpZPx39BH59 qJBp7mQ+qOx2+wXnGgGcBEHEo4Hajkl7IHsHf94n3GjvnZyjc2YXh/FjhAFij08HUA89Qg8cy YSiOU25LRAg2mqjs4G/+LDgSB83pV9NYHv3vdUDwSBBEpSpcpthkfoSLR1sb/gjfjjAlXVo/m hGhipNddjxKrYlybEi4czKoorLN4lv1jObl+XpIm7mLV7y1iAN1L2U0gVEyxji2QX/uRUa+Rm I4OafSx7X9vqXStDqXoAVYug5D+xC/oMGLwE/S0xbYttj7I1WDlG8fC6fmOW2Y6osy3DPEWQU Wxs4PZv/F6jVSdCTcHjSsEzZpO9GGMWoWHuh9NLCsbDyEudKt6ggPVKhyKKktQD3DFLF5T1ql pVstSGIU3m4jhG5NOYr554L0z18Q5kZhQLyeABYNdD5JjOVTj1+2GY5gSNK9ZaC2eqDZbw58D Tr+hvKKM03U6BXswpspx+4hELC5ow+UB/KJN/LfJFUiSYuJEajpeEUKRtp4zB2aJVYFn4UDVZ 8Std/QBgl5GT2KNr5hkc8SUqvZBKjLejDPn0lmO4QtCoW5abr+y4yilAGOqjdWrXc5ij/gaL Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.15.15; envelope-from=dimech@gmx.com; helo=mout.gmx.net X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:131884 Archived-At: > Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 at 11:25 AM > From: "Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor" > To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > Subject: Re: Quote by Knuth > > Christopher Dimech wrote: > > > But Knuth idea goes more than that because he was obsessed > > with presentation and wanted science to be like a work of > > literature. Without understanding that most work is not work > > of literature. > > But that's very normal and, broadly speaking, expected for > a man with the turns that his career took. What would you > expect, the creator of TeX saying, "hey, why do you guys care > so much what the documents _look_ like?" ??? > > Well, _he_ for one cared about that and he developed a good > tool for that! > > "Literate programming" was his way of theorizing about TeX and > the family of tools and methods he developed, pushed for, and > cared for. I understand that now, it wasn't hyped as > a superior model for programming in general. Then it makes > much more sense. Have read his work on literate programming (though not his theorising). W= ith actual programming, he delved into showing that it is possible to implemen= t with pascal, which he used to program Tex. Which is something very different t= han saying that literate programming should be the goal of any language. He did that in 1984, long after the development of the first high-level la= nguages. Many have been doing very well with fortran, C, and lisp. > -- > underground experts united > https://dataswamp.org/~incal > > >