From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Christopher Dimech Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Use Emacs as the IDE for Wolfram Mathematica. 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You are combining > program when one program needs the other one for proper functions. > > Thus, what people call "init files" or "configuration files" are > actually programs that modify Emacs and are bound to GPL and have to > be licensed properly. You can add functionality as you wish. When you use emacs for personal us= e, you are not bound to GPL Licensed code only. > > > People can do anything, we speak what is allowed by the license, now > > > what one can do. The license of a GPL program does not allow making = a > > > combined program with it and not license it under same terms. > > > > I was not talking about combined programs. I was discussing writing > > a package distributed separately with a proprietary license. > > If that package runs without modification of Emacs software, it does > not modify Emacs, it is just data that is interpreted. It also cannot > require any of GPL libraries that are GPL licensed. However, majority > of packages are written with the purpose to modify Emacs. Not to use > Emacs Lisp solely for its own purposes. It could be for personal use, but not part of emacs. > If you write such code, under conditions not to modify Emacs, not to > use GPL-ed libraries, then it could be proprietary. Otherwise legally > it cannot be. Question is why would anybody use Emacs to write such > interpreted programs when there are many other programming languages > with MIT licensed libraries. You are correct, I was talking from the legal point of view, and about ema= cs support for Wolfram Mathematica. Ubuntu is one such system, where you have free s= oftware where proprietary code is added to it. > MIT licensed libraries one can use how one wants, GPL-ed no. MIT has used many licenses, and it is ambiguous because many faili to dist= inguish between them. One should not use the term "MIT License". > -- > Jean > > Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: > https://www.fsf.org/campaigns > > Sign an open letter in support of Richard M. Stallman > https://stallmansupport.org/ >