Re: Blog post - Christopher Dimech via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists

From: Christopher Dimech via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists <emacs-tangents@gnu.org>
To: arne_bab@web.de
Cc: Eshel Yaron <me@eshelyaron.com>, Emacs-tangents@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Blog post
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 17:20:56 +0100	[thread overview]
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> Sent: Friday, December 15, 2023 at 12:46 AM
> From: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists" <emacs-tangents@gnu.org>
> To: "Christopher Dimech" <dimech@gmx.com>
> Cc: "Eshel Yaron" <me@eshelyaron.com>, Emacs-tangents@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: Blog post
>
> 
> Christopher Dimech <dimech@gmx.com> writes:
> 
> >> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 9:29 PM
> >> From: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" <arne_bab@web.de>
> >> To: "Christopher Dimech" <dimech@gmx.com>
> >> Cc: "Eshel Yaron" <me@eshelyaron.com>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> >> Subject: Re: Blog post
> >>
> >> 
> >> Christopher Dimech <dimech@gmx.com> writes:
> >> 
> >> > From your experience, have your rants been justified ? Introspection
> >> > of other people's rants should be considered part of the work.  After 
> >> > all, expletives towards demigods have occurred since time immemorial,
> >> > and will surely continue.
> >> 
> >> Yes, they were totally justified — but usually not helpful. Most times
> >> they needlessly hurt people who then often stopped contributing. A
> >> friendly text may have helped to stay together and actually fix the
> >> problem to move forward as community. - Arne
> >
> > Nobody gets hurt.   It is commonly a type of vengeance (a form of 
> > retaliation) intended to dissuade contrarian views directed towards 
> > the developers.
> 
> I think there’s a misunderstanding here.
> 
> When I ranted, my rants were justified, but my rants hurt people and
> that did not help. So not ranting but instead writing a friendly text
> would have been the better choice. - Arne

If it was a better choice, one should adopt it.  Strong emotions, especially 
negative ones like anger, can be physically and mentally taxing to everybody. 

Hacker groups have been marked by conflicts or "wars".  Encouraging a transformation
of the working conditions which were historically characterized by intense verbal abuse
is needed.  I put the emphasis on the maintainers themselves to eliminate chaos within
their project.  The latter could be the specific area where our opinions differ.  
Users typically focus upon specific details, whereas software designers focus on
making everything work well together.  From my experience, being a maintainer requires 
a higher level of concentration and control of the external.

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