From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Christopher Dimech Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Auto Fill Comments Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2020 19:47:05 +0100 Message-ID: References: <20201126182734.GA5175@tuxteam.de> <54331aa0-6a9a-4809-9f2d-88deee31558b@default> <83pn3zp8bu.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="13847"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, Jean Louis To: Arthur Miller Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 27 19:50:37 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kiipJ-0003RN-Gc for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 27 Nov 2020 19:50:37 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44928 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kiipI-0007nZ-A5 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 27 Nov 2020 13:50:36 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49786) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kiimT-0006y5-LB for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Nov 2020 13:47:41 -0500 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.15]:44773) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kiimR-0004cE-Dy for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Nov 2020 13:47:41 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1606502825; bh=ZRT1SH4DmHNaif0tygoCaJRg60MJpFjuxldFQV0hTkY=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=lPO9h9ZRQdAnAu8KaBc/cJsuWl92/19rP60MWiRmIG+xwhtzMVi2IvMmLXHiN9nH0 rZ+WYml+5aLBvWfrmmbKz2tKbh4Ctu9vJGQgdXRNMD5C6tl8ZSxJIaDoD6VN6sCfno dVLAbV8yRyUP+wYthOaKHqov1qB/RJwaZPBUmoRU= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Original-Received: from [213.165.168.94] ([213.165.168.94]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs12.server.lan [172.19.170.180]) (via HTTP); Fri, 27 Nov 2020 19:47:05 +0100 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:O8g8PW6JJeuh7Dt0X9qkrIZ5ReJJHREhEAK00JsAAW+Z0q6gh4Ybqb9fQthRwli+OgVSY KFx2URywv1KJnSdXfoT1SIlat2tm9XKvrr/GA1TPbCfbjt1rMdibCPAbSSQ3eVJ0frHtLloM0Jxx Kxj7z2w2FjWPLVRLnfc8bSMdWWif01xtKVVGxcJoe+44dKqtVm/snjvCzGVZh8szIQ3tX2CNFsiG D8X4pg1fU9tCpSLR9x9alprk1VbvQkeARbtBHECNtYjh5Rik+ELc67qANbRTF752Od5IkEgrAsW+ f4= X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:J3OPEhNt4E4=:VR46FhNaYLrTDnvea5TSHP UrBwQ1XoUNVgsGvyOZK9WV0hQi0CJjEc8WS6Vzu/S43BHcr4I4LiTpdM4ycT6bl4PmHkcxTgU G/GVHinX44ovNmCq22LCGyjNdTONBQFjjxxQig0DKaM8Tda3avj3n89zmmwWUIADW8T1xwl1V Xx5K0OXGMFNYQ7O2b7IBwhuQ5kuWnH6Hzm9qi9ugFbaXaunVbwejt12CjUsAxeUivUGWo6oLt 927eF+YAzi10cdHmIdv1H6yuG8Yh9X+wKzRQpcay9QS0+4yU4veXio6lpyuC553oSIG7uStnC y8060vzapzjJmFmDFp1WQCQvN8use8g4+ISI9JsXTerWOHtSBxU+Y4IjyrbSuvFuTPztpe9PK FkfYEHZhepulL2VhYwfGlAFNKdYeeqZanALJEx4LBKCackpQ6DZy57i6nPQQMtg7MAPLLbil8 WXZ+PlCy9KAncQtZPpspVMEKdba/UmA+1wv10l0MmcCSWsvymMLH8Y5kJagWop1oEKBBPLM6r uK8JK4bgqRKQOTrqf+LCA/6fn1QgcPmvUVbsQ7tYzvNF98OmAhSqBkLD62xWPX1YlxwO3g23c TLxBmipPxH+KQ= Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.15.15; envelope-from=dimech@gmx.com; helo=mout.gmx.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:125681 Archived-At: > Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 at 7:40 PM > From: "Arthur Miller" > To: "Christopher Dimech" > Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, "Jean Louis" > Subject: Re: Auto Fill Comments > > Christopher Dimech writes: > > >> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 at 6:00 PM > >> From: "Jean Louis" > >> To: "Arthur Miller" > >> Cc: "Christopher Dimech" , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > >> Subject: Re: Auto Fill Comments > >> > >> * Arthur Miller [2020-11-27 19:43]: > >> > I learned it through hacking init file, and I am not good at Emacs > >> > internals, I don't have time to sitt hours and go through all > >> > if-defs and thousands of lines of lisp. I wish I did. But when I > >> > don't know how to do something, I ask, and if they tell me I don't > >> > understand it or have missed it, I don't tell them they manual sux > >> > or code is horribly structured. Sometimes error is in our selves, i= n > >> > this case, Dimech is probably not used to read the technical manual= s > >> > and that's not more. > >> > >> I was asking different type of questions on #emacs IRC back in 2016, > >> and back then I did not know hot to look into references to get mysel= f > >> Emacs insights. When one does not know where to look to there can be > >> bunch of references but one cannot find it. Today I have different > >> types of questions. There are progress stages for Emacs users. > > > > As things get more complex, figuring out how to look becomes problemat= ic. > > Today, looking far things has became a subject in itself. > > If things get more complicated that you cannot understand it in > > your lifetime (that time could come), then we all got to rethink > > the whole thing, even though we don't like it. > Indeed, finding relevant information is not always trivial. But there is > also a skill of being focused and finding only those pieces of > information you need to accomplish what you need. When I made my first > hack to emacs, I had no idea how it does; I hacked it to accept > non-commentsin lisp; it wasn't liked on this list; nevertheless it was > just few lines of code to get it to do that. I still have not much > understanding of Emacs internals, and by now I have one idea approved > and taken into Emacs. We all get stuck; I particulary do; I am still not > very used to Lisp, and that felt incomprehensible for me when I was > reading it; but I went out on the web, red stuff, even found a book and > translated into English; that helped me understand Lisp and now I > understand Emacs Lisp manual much better and don't find it > incomprehensible (or at least hard) any more. Every language has its > idioms, jargon, etc; you have to get into it, if you wish to work with i= t. Agreed. No qualms about that.