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From: Christopher Dimech <dimech@gmx.com>
To: tomas@tuxteam.de
Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Auto Fill Comments
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2020 19:07:27 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <trinity-48b64ae2-759b-427b-b471-34e384602577-1606500447901@3c-app-mailcom-bs12> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201127175346.GB27998@tuxteam.de>


> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 at 6:53 PM
> From: tomas@tuxteam.de
> To: "Christopher Dimech" <dimech@gmx.com>
> Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: Auto Fill Comments
>
> On Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 06:41:44PM +0100, Christopher Dimech wrote:
> >
> > > Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 at 5:02 PM
> > > From: tomas@tuxteam.de
>
> [...]
>
> > > > On that last sentence that is so. It is not always the failure of
> > > > readers [...]
> > >
> > > Most definitely not.
>
> To clarify: I think trying to think of this as the "failure of some
> person" is an error. It's a failure of communication.
>
> >                        But when I find myself paraphrasing (badly, at
> > > that) what's already written in the manual, I've to step back and
> > > ask myself whether I'm doing anything wrong.
> >
> > You tried to explain it better, but think the wording in the manual
> > described things better.
>
> This was my realisation, too :)
>
> >                            Nothing wrong about that.  Thank you for
> > trying to clarify things.  Also, there is nothing wrong with giving
> > up.  I was just saying how it was for me, that's all.
>
> I'm not giving up. Just stepping back to think. Your input helps,
> appreciated.
>
> > As more people get to use emacs, what was adequate before, becomes
> > inadequate.
>
> Sometimes it's just difficult to wrap one's head around things.
> "Local" variables with different kinds of locality is one of
> those, but they are there for a reason. Life in Emacs without
> buffer-local variables would be way more difficult.

My experience has been that as I got to do more things in emacs lisp,
the understanding needed quickly exceeded my rate of learning.
One can get to sophisticated constructs, even when trying to do
relatively simple things.  You never know where your original
plan could get you. Many times the importance of a work is not
measured by its consequences (i.e. by the final command).


> Imagine the mess a complex mode (like CC mode) would be if you
> always had to consult some buffer-bound data structure instead
> of having buffer-local variables disguised as "globals".
>
> Imagine the organizational mess minor modes would be.
>
> Now my head hurts :)
>
> >             Many things will change and people would want to use it
> > in different ways and at different levels of sophistication.  A
> > possibility could be not about writing more, but organise better.
> >
> > After all we want that others are pleased with our work.
>
> Definitely.
>
> Cheers
>  - t
>



  reply	other threads:[~2020-11-27 18:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 155+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-11-24 17:05 Auto Fill Comments Christopher Dimech
2020-11-24 19:42 ` daniela-spit
2020-11-24 19:52   ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-24 20:02     ` daniela-spit
2020-11-24 20:53     ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-25  0:56       ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-27  4:40   ` Dante Catalfamo
2020-11-27  4:56     ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-27  5:47       ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-25  7:11 ` Robert Thorpe
2020-11-25  7:59   ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-26  3:56     ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-26 15:13       ` daniela-spit
2020-11-26 15:23         ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-26 16:00           ` tomas
2020-11-26 17:22             ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-26 17:35               ` daniela-spit
2020-11-26 18:27               ` tomas
2020-11-26 18:44                 ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-26 19:19                   ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-26 20:16                   ` tomas
2020-11-26 20:29                     ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-26 20:44                     ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-26 21:14                     ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-26 21:51                   ` Drew Adams
2020-11-27  0:47                     ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-27  1:57                       ` arthur miller
2020-11-27  2:20                         ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-27  3:04                           ` arthur miller
2020-11-27  3:46                           ` Jean Louis
2020-11-27  6:27                             ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-27  6:34                               ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-27  7:02                                 ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-27  7:15                                   ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-27  7:29                                     ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-27  7:00                               ` Jean Louis
2020-11-27  7:10                                 ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-27  8:26                                 ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-27 13:26                                   ` Jean Louis
2020-11-27  7:33                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-27  2:15                       ` Drew Adams
2020-11-27  2:41                         ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-27  3:21                           ` Drew Adams
2020-11-27  5:47                           ` Jean Louis
2020-11-27  6:06                             ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-27  6:21                               ` Jean Louis
2020-11-27  6:27                                 ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-27  6:34                                   ` Jean Louis
2020-11-27  6:35                                   ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-27  3:32                         ` Jean Louis
2020-11-27  5:32                           ` Drew Adams
2020-11-27  6:02                             ` Jean Louis
2020-11-27  7:28                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-27  7:59                         ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-27  8:11                           ` Robert Pluim
2020-11-27  9:07                             ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-27  8:25                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-27  9:11                             ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-27  8:51                           ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-27  9:23                             ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-27 13:44                               ` Jean Louis
2020-11-27 16:02                                 ` tomas
2020-11-27 17:41                                   ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-27 17:53                                     ` tomas
2020-11-27 18:07                                       ` Christopher Dimech [this message]
2020-11-27 18:45                                         ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-27 21:16                                           ` tomas
2020-11-27 21:32                                             ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-27 19:03                                         ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-27 19:39                                           ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-27 21:26                                             ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-27 21:40                                               ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-27 22:15                                                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-11-27 22:38                                                   ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-28  1:06                                                     ` Jean Louis
2020-11-28  1:24                                                       ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-27 22:55                                                   ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-28  1:08                                                     ` Jean Louis
2020-11-28  1:45                                                       ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-28  2:54                                                         ` Jean Louis
2020-11-28  7:46                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-28 12:05                                                     ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-28 15:58                                                       ` Andy Moreton
2020-11-28 16:15                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-28 16:29                                                         ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-29  0:08                                                       ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-29  0:21                                                         ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-29  0:25                                                           ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-29  0:44                                                             ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-29  1:15                                                           ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-11-29  2:24                                                             ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-29  2:56                                                               ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-11-29  3:21                                                                 ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-29 23:41                                                                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-11-30  0:06                                                                     ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-30  1:06                                                                       ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2020-11-30  1:49                                                                         ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-30  2:05                                                                           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2020-11-30  8:58                                                                           ` tomas
2020-11-30 10:09                                                                             ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-30 10:41                                                                               ` tomas
2020-11-30 11:47                                                                                 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-30 12:43                                                                                 ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-30  2:38                                                                         ` Drew Adams
2020-11-30  3:03                                                                           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2020-12-01 18:47                                                                           ` Andreas Eder
2020-11-30  6:45                                                                       ` Jean Louis
2020-11-30 21:19                                                                       ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-11-30 22:14                                                                         ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-30 22:26                                                                           ` tomas
2020-11-30 22:32                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-30 23:44                                                                               ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-01  8:45                                                                               ` tomas
2020-11-30 22:45                                                                           ` Drew Adams
2020-11-30 23:22                                                                             ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-01  8:42                                                                               ` tomas
2020-12-01 15:50                                                                                 ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-01 16:35                                                                                   ` Jean Louis
2020-12-01 18:14                                                                                     ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-01 19:33                                                                                       ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-12-01 19:56                                                                                         ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-01 21:42                                                                                           ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-12-01 22:13                                                                                             ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-01 22:55                                                                                         ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-01 23:16                                                                                           ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-12-01 23:27                                                                                             ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-02  4:49                                                                                         ` Jean Louis
2020-12-01 16:07                                                                                 ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-30 23:12                                                                           ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-11-30 23:38                                                                             ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-29  7:52                                                               ` Yuri Khan
2020-11-29 18:43                                                                 ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-28 12:08                                                     ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-28  7:33                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-28 12:02                                                 ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-29  0:05                                                   ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-27 19:06                                         ` Drew Adams
2020-11-27 19:43                                           ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-27 16:25                               ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-27 13:31                             ` Jean Louis
2020-11-27 16:42                               ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-27 17:00                                 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-27 17:54                                   ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-27 18:40                                     ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-27 18:47                                       ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-27 18:30                                   ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-27  8:48                       ` tomas
2020-11-27 13:27                         ` Jean Louis
2020-11-27 14:20                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-26 20:45           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-26 20:45         ` Stefan Monnier
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2020-11-27 17:51                           ` Drew Adams
2020-11-27 18:00                             ` Jean Louis
2020-11-27 19:00                               ` Drew Adams
2020-11-28  0:59                                 ` Jean Louis

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