From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Christopher Dimech Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Modifier Keys and the Archaic Meta Key, term keyboard becoming archaic soon Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 17:14:50 +0100 Message-ID: References: <64F19108-F8EA-4D43-ADA2-F002B37C60FE@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="28698"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Help Gnu Emacs , Francis Belliveau To: Jean Louis Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 26 17:19:12 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kX5DD-0007Mn-PP for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 17:19:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41392 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kX5DC-0000S1-Gw for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 12:19:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58326) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kX59v-00008k-Iv for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 12:15:47 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.22]:56561) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kX59p-0007sc-7r for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 12:15:47 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1603728890; bh=JS2QUzjJoxi5kCSF++HMNtsKMf+F4WuWx9tBomByGlU=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=MMpiczCt845BG4kPxufojsVymkcNHAOoWFRZhTfVNpBJRQGYQa1yUuwb6FK6vJjuY BpqZfMmQfdyVwxnuFiecPDAEnWMI5qYtsp0yWXPSzTZ6BDWRA5IfR/z/aBx3vkK5jo 7Zx7Np9EIrnRBVvLLS245QR0YQB3XFBMO1g8YO04= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Original-Received: from [213.165.168.94] ([213.165.168.94]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs12.server.lan [172.19.170.180]) (via HTTP); Mon, 26 Oct 2020 17:14:50 +0100 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:ZyFS3bEh7gAR9qo9Y5b21UIgJH5gcluSH+ZBarO2kGUmRjLl00cwb9zgZao1CBTaOv2uc bNOdEXjpjUMBNSLixe47iO0R7GD36KGKnZupfYNKMcAkytv5rBKYs/pFspK8vkrbYrkFjhUwtPIV tnZi6g7lEaIdC5BDJSbD3EHN4nS2ZY0UNxGQw8zKXLC9cp2nvh9v+WUYKgZ7bQfAeEQ0JJVCa/0U cSrLtU2Xtg+FCh/F6iy/JdbPnoBJpciX/PPOQCAdlNAdtT/fIKjlam1yOev3SR+Me+OMQGAt0OZZ s0= X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:iMTi6BkxdF4=:Gmm2Yrhh2parxZ/d6jVGSp bpO2gt0JTyAkm12jMa2oYTB8byPpzyGJ2qX3VCXsCFokS66FlAeLLH0k5jpV0ieCDwaJ8ulnl qU+2GqzizURZ+VW2qhr6J8RNCGxZgSS6aSNGt9SoPbY2bk5PtmUdCIfJXSuvhKVgs3cLvnQBA mdABuiG3/k2z7s3Qthb/7EQ6lNUVIsZWk++C59czhK57OhQ2PXVIgeo9HgynlFIBcsPmFOLbn Dqyk/hmy8mGMETkN/K8b10D85OFRfyuiSY0HmMpDw8Fa1+gV1rcDDVkbVWPnhXLt+fs3eAumV 5Sl2PNutQbkbr0+uOB1JTnb/7oSBwzeSZvFwiLAO/MvmffoZZId1FHfrTGMgEtO993+LWn/uT g2XnA9Xn0GDhXKJu6hwYwcP697gzK4pLpDwrmM7EShmb3j4xZv1SsLyqfxqTIckKXybDuI9lj FRwwQBqZzzwQa54nW2u4p60E3j7ltKCHBuKNDYOM/Wf7oZYxrdotIL/MGOBX+jcRc20NA7xdy 1ciCLNXludRZgLlnpSwN8qZgfzm2jPF0EQFulPb9YmaNqDavU6gzbHPnY4i8XQqP/i2+V1PNU fHAUy/SIM5cPo= Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.17.22; envelope-from=dimech@gmx.com; helo=mout.gmx.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/26 12:15:37 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:124723 Archived-At: > virtual repetitive strain injury. C* That's a good one. I wonder what they would have to say! :) =2D-------------------- Christopher Dimech General Administrator - Naiad Informatics - GNU Project (Geocomputation) - Geophysical Simulation - Geological Subsurface Mapping - Disaster Preparedness and Mitigation - Natural Resource Exploration and Production - Free Software Advocacy > Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 at 3:37 PM > From: "Jean Louis" > To: "Christopher Dimech" > Cc: "Help Gnu Emacs" , "Francis Belliveau" > Subject: Re: Modifier Keys and the Archaic Meta Key, term keyboard becom= ing archaic soon > > - keyboard > > For the reason that there are so many computers today > without keyboards, it would be very late to change M-x to > something else, as keyboards will soon disappear > as well. All the work of changing the M-x terminology will > be in vain. > > * Overview of noun keyboard > > The noun keyboard has 2 senses (first 1 from tagged texts) > > 1. (2) keyboard -- (device consisting of a set of keys on > a piano or organ or typewriter or typesetting machine or > computer or the like) > > 15. key -- (a lever (as in a keyboard) that actuates a > mechanism when depressed) > > On billions of computers today like tables and phones > there is no mechanism and there is no lever on so many > mobile devices that use virtual "keyboards". Same trend is > expected to come to what is called "desktop" computers > (desktop may be obsolete as well). > > Those who report bugs for Emacs while using mobile devices > such as tablets and phones should be seriously warned not > to use the obsolete term "keyboard". > > Neither the Emacs manual nor Emacs was ever made to > support "virtual keyboards". > > Users of mobile devices should be disadvised to send Emacs > complaints while using the incorrect and obsolete term > "keyboard" as that increases chances of blame that Emacs > key bindings cause repetitive strain injureis. Finally, > there are no key bindings on such devices simply because > they do not have keys. > > Those getting repetitive strain injuries on a "virtual > keyboard" shall be diagnosed having virtual repetitive > strain injury. > > It will be questionable if that will be justification for > a sick pay. > > >