From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Christopher Dimech Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Auto Fill Comments Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2020 19:45:02 +0100 Message-ID: References: <54331aa0-6a9a-4809-9f2d-88deee31558b@default> <83pn3zp8bu.fsf@gnu.org> <20201127160216.GA27998@tuxteam.de> <20201127175346.GB27998@tuxteam.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5114"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Christopher Dimech Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 27 19:48:35 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kiinL-0001Dn-E3 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 27 Nov 2020 19:48:35 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40138 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kiinK-0005ZW-92 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 27 Nov 2020 13:48:34 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48974) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kiikD-0005YG-Rc for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Nov 2020 13:45:21 -0500 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.19]:58863) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kiik9-0003pn-Gx for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Nov 2020 13:45:21 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1606502703; bh=ViA2PjEPpOzBhbp/q7wQQcgHX4rICAUNxSq4zfaJKVQ=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=M9k8e3P/a8qkHW8YEQvKLwLpDpxVTuF82p3F1MFc9XDISGZBpXHPsZDF0Dk6o4mDD YXk1jRx6sJ/f8wMfteCLdz3vRjHRSX09vOgbF5pxJ5/8Pvm5EPb4Su3bFA6Xmhifww hSGjz//HOlXavTW2bTsH0vEGK98SVwWsifonUDIA= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Original-Received: from [213.165.168.94] ([213.165.168.94]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs12.server.lan [172.19.170.180]) (via HTTP); Fri, 27 Nov 2020 19:45:02 +0100 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:MlBmvLBGZ/2mBn3cyGReheqvyGSJ5qyKuyK+2+7jsDb8O3EGEiJ5MylY7j50vaWLWPy8f UXssK1tfDyuBFUAZJc2EO/I/fvltm2pm+kdJtNo7//DseqLvkSVaslFGy7HoZiEdNagd8xmK9Hmb U/EQFkaAE5rSOrNxA6u3lvKmPOuwnCpEL5vm4OgrTS5/iiTlYIEg+Tv6W02tTONv8njOngvtij+q aq3X1nYX/KfldXdycU+QfsJc/wihU+8G3k25BJVg052t1yWAD8chXnekX9zMc1Mg4OhOIy4O4Dnv 6w= X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:eFV8HI7tjMQ=:RYyQrYS7qDn1LukQoUWg3W bhBs2sVaPN/19PL27SM1h/RcMYsUeqSX6lyA4AeZpJmEJqz3Qu6ONn/YNBOcPt2+8aLwfnTiu 9fMUrWAwwspMohqg9Fx7YQ3tiEpr/g1f+jUlEH99teZ7YkyYq1YLbXDsDMx5SH70w6TC+rhSp kliUkdEIn08uXsol2h1HEo4O3rU88j6bsulzG8b1U7JM8pLxT7GKJTRCwhDSOM+LpuSJVhFzr ZYKopeZoUUINb2CHCXFWrjY5AfTGgTEVz4LULBt246sZX9nxzU4T1E5DW7qJ3+BKS+WVts1JL sHeKZt6YCLpgDhjRUXmZMWn1Au+2yB7+Ud4cAMQQ2S1fX2q2tfHe7xW5HqYUeKLd6fLyZDNBF p2j9kKV9tLCTWdPO1RkEiWdz+fmD0OCk7YkuE3WvR3jd/Wplg7B4i26FW9KmYQwblSfBhw6t8 vvNhVyWoaszV19bK02BDQJVixlXtB3CwvDc9if2AdPDG39T6o3PFSvGc64+toOEz/62peHVaz /Y7evvDLpnbGubEoUzZHdLwIF9KMnIxNffRnkIBM96+dhcha3ZR7lE/0U82E1J2uDTqDdXrzM PY6+zUQQrBIBE= Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.15.19; envelope-from=dimech@gmx.com; helo=mout.gmx.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:125680 Archived-At: > Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 at 7:07 PM > From: "Christopher Dimech" > To: tomas@tuxteam.de > Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > Subject: Re: Auto Fill Comments > > > > Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 at 6:53 PM > > From: tomas@tuxteam.de > > To: "Christopher Dimech" > > Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > > Subject: Re: Auto Fill Comments > > > > On Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 06:41:44PM +0100, Christopher Dimech wrote: > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 at 5:02 PM > > > > From: tomas@tuxteam.de > > > > [...] > > > > > > > On that last sentence that is so. It is not always the failure o= f > > > > > readers [...] > > > > > > > > Most definitely not. > > > > To clarify: I think trying to think of this as the "failure of some > > person" is an error. It's a failure of communication. > > > > > But when I find myself paraphrasing (badly, a= t > > > > that) what's already written in the manual, I've to step back and > > > > ask myself whether I'm doing anything wrong. > > > > > > You tried to explain it better, but think the wording in the manual > > > described things better. > > > > This was my realisation, too :) > > > > > Nothing wrong about that. Thank you for > > > trying to clarify things. Also, there is nothing wrong with giving > > > up. I was just saying how it was for me, that's all. > > > > I'm not giving up. Just stepping back to think. Your input helps, > > appreciated. > > > > > As more people get to use emacs, what was adequate before, becomes > > > inadequate. > > > > Sometimes it's just difficult to wrap one's head around things. > > "Local" variables with different kinds of locality is one of > > those, but they are there for a reason. Life in Emacs without > > buffer-local variables would be way more difficult. > > My experience has been that as I got to do more things in emacs lisp, > the understanding needed quickly exceeded my rate of learning. > One can get to sophisticated constructs, even when trying to do > relatively simple things. You never know where your original > plan could get you. Many times the importance of a work is not > measured by its consequences (i.e. by the final command). > > > > Imagine the mess a complex mode (like CC mode) would be if you > > always had to consult some buffer-bound data structure instead > > of having buffer-local variables disguised as "globals". > > > > Imagine the organizational mess minor modes would be. > > > > Now my head hurts :) > > > > > Many things will change and people would want to use it > > > in different ways and at different levels of sophistication. A > > > possibility could be not about writing more, but organise better. This is what has to be understood - Gnu needs to start thinking about having different levels of sophistication within its packages. Historical= ly, it has always been about the end result. As long as things work people wer= e satisfied. It sounds reasonable from the surface, but quite problematic a= fter one introspects the subsurface. Regards Christopher > > > After all we want that others are pleased with our work. > > > > Definitely. > > > > Cheers > > - t > > > >