From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Christopher Dimech Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Quote by Knuth Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2021 22:15:16 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87o8bgg6br.fsf@zoho.eu> <20210705154121.GB6395@tuxteam.de> <878s2j2onn.fsf@zoho.eu> <87r1gbdr6d.fsf@zoho.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="23574"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, moasenwood@zoho.eu To: Jean Louis Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 14 22:16:57 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m3lJR-0005tT-9D for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2021 22:16:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52178 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m3lJQ-0006gB-8s for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2021 16:16:56 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57598) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m3lIN-0006fF-6D for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2021 16:15:51 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.18]:60115) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m3lIK-0004wV-UN for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2021 16:15:50 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1626293716; bh=55d6VfCRo5NJ+RcuAXd8sW8D64Ba31paRfR+XvsoZ2w=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=X2Rz2LtCN9R62b1OiH1RxFOmLHmry3l0tFuwrhDYdcRe8r04SsKFOxl5xNv4rJHcB vdcjIM9AjdKtdXFa5Qq4SJqyu6Hi9tmxU1KUbg9fDg7MUVHf6JqJa69eTGUJZEhJm/ N6Iy73KoDP2/qSKg76rimV5DK55Nyv73AJ/A00nI= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Original-Received: from [92.251.40.31] ([92.251.40.31]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs04.server.lan [172.19.170.170]) (via HTTP); Wed, 14 Jul 2021 22:15:16 +0200 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:XJEdks4407+KXckzFNcmrh5EcEXf9UIpga87QO3f+QjX/ARrt7Ho65bORTXGRSzewzjka S9fWT8Fi44fjN2RiAc0NQ6U+ffG1eKaBd7l1B134DjzzIAnVb2DefEBEz0/0d+P28K/BGcUl++2I dKwhR4G0pO1+8MAmnkBewhE6jsFL9GJ/9/BJ7/lnxG3GiFfYXvlmwBXLoCTCzCwhFVwvuyHtUl8C 65XMeOrFSUXFvul7Adbit5CtE1ivCGf+gbdIsCyjEgsks7hu+WlDefeSDr6bVZFRJ50XParLSDh6 MY= X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:NE5bH3oYFkY=:FTKI2n95IYRxdAScmRxGwR xp9mcq6QMUY1af4nnhkoglKeODJR+eb8gvN8sjYBv+D13BtHwLwm8BZ7gqUHsbGn+isNLzxcl QyktgrHu6Y/+fI9YznG8mixOOXFUCAN7YF5xSapXzGg+noOl6xcQxPMctwyRox0rOzy6HTF0G Ttiq0jnPBqsjEm/sY5wVxRMTBnCd4iYq4TNSkpaP28HcXp9Bu+iBGNZ9yGGMLAn2uJPC3SsWN Qc1SfPU6RPa28I3tt28cxNHiqrYed+2VSvtyjh1k84FJUHUkKsjFWXTwiD2YZuPd8FZYItEyq fuOXAtI4lP/3W3tMC2tTMCgGtrnEWjJYajH0dExHbbtErp/gvs1KG6oDdVhq/Il4OfQVmBQr/ fAXp1rMhlu2MSnUwAdet3FfRmsdbnjVewDujHd0LC5E3uOl4QUwRJ5fAG2EvT9uzIoK7HX6Xm h6nlKFDA5/LMfvzZkvT9IvlXH1+CN4ZXiHVG7QymsXYvgyIM8YyMCppUg/qygmW6d6I3M3f2Q 7Ija1oJdPyi2XlebYVGdsI+hWNjX6GoAqEjoTX8O4xPu1LpcUln356YURhb0z4+kazYNAOnWv uYcpCtGevyYZ/onJ5MR0cWPNMP1vrWNqqcwm8HrLteYfITW8yKbZaTWdnwvBEvXU73xoGmBlp auX9GJa9UHMtBfyna6DJBwDEWP0BOPLdWrEL+0rp6nT1PLhOh5jOhl4lIpKRXa1RGtO+WQ1Hb DQ8Ik90flpaHhf0GNjIi3lioqSAVLKISrRZO7vYZIkDthSlqxYbLTb0CrLNlXO6y+xHtXKnn Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.15.18; envelope-from=dimech@gmx.com; helo=mout.gmx.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:131704 Archived-At: > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 7:24 AM > From: "Jean Louis" > To: "Christopher Dimech" > Cc: moasenwood@zoho.eu, help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > Subject: Re: Quote by Knuth > > * Christopher Dimech [2021-07-14 20:45]: > > > There are no millions of programmers using "literate > > > programming"... > > > > Disregarding students and academics almost nobody. > > Documentation strings in Emacs Lisp and commentary are literate > programming. Though we do not have some nice formatter which will > convert each function into nicely printed PDF with sections and > similar. I don't think it is hard to make it in Emacs Lisp Documentation strings are quite limited, Knuth was looking as something more extensive. I cannot see how we can make mathematical computations in code literate because mathematics is full of esoteric glyphs that would complicate rather than explain. Mixing everything together is a bad idea. Even if we manage to get computations look like pseudocode, will that aid understanding? Not a lot. It would still need time and focus to figure out. In mathematics, using prose gets things so complicated that you will not understand anything. You need some sort of compact lexi= con to absorb some quite complex ideas that cannot be condensed well enough using prose. After completing a building, you remove the scaffolding and clean everythi= ng out. Much in then hidden. > -- > Jean > > Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: > https://www.fsf.org/campaigns > > In support of Richard M. Stallman > https://stallmansupport.org/ >