From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Christopher Dimech Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: [External] : Re: Setting value 1 when matching two strings Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2022 03:40:18 +0200 Message-ID: References: <25420.12274.577322.322044@tux.local> <87v8oje4v6.fsf@web.de> <8SgIL096UJ9Ve5a-wBAWJ0RVszIuVXsf4dUM6tqx3GgCSxFZSJhLC85xIpkh85fH_saOU7UI1gHGwuB52OfP1a3TJgZnbu0gqdeOIOszl5g=@protonmail.com> <87czare3t5.fsf@web.de> <87sfjncmbn.fsf@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="12732"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Michael Heerdegen Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 17 03:41:18 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1okF81-0003Bs-UR for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2022 03:41:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59516 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1okF80-0000GF-Fc for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 21:41:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49166) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1okF78-0000G5-R5 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 21:40:22 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.20]:55625) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1okF76-0002Jx-Kx for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 21:40:22 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1665970818; bh=/roenPkBllSYIJFAgd0U4qnZPy2LFFzLBfJBr+ljlKg=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=Dbmtdk1+8gz36OEN/Vmfmb6/qNpVrCRCUVicVBxBqQzrRg0THb7zW+ml8wHbkQu5q JSMCmBhwTXXwlI6+lvfLGpfyr+o5XuCmY6hxOuVe5U+jYY7QAlm+pMctbI+CWgfb7d l7pQTKtERjnzgarGoF/hkeXU+nOCo6RfG9bV1guc= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Original-Received: from [92.251.127.164] ([92.251.127.164]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs10.server.lan [172.19.170.178]) (via HTTP); Mon, 17 Oct 2022 03:40:18 +0200 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: <87sfjncmbn.fsf@web.de> X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:ZBpx2awEmzlZRVAVOPU3TqousFkzMkKDJIB6nnP28ygEY7oVsljnbwTe0fJrhM9w8cnwh znY6aQqvlKfBX25uD19cI5XUXpV8EeoEK4oSOJCULdhWrQ1rbotoB8xXk19AyBNE31F64Lo8ZikS 1HP1uRxcHNRpYcKDekiUvEA2a7BRAYUScHf6K7QOWArvbLkNyg9zPG3QDpXu9+BjBRwaIXccJ7cK G61vn3JyB0so/OsLUtESj7yCN117H3FNKQ8y9GCsThn4CUbLOG0pXDTJdg7KPKC+pn3tmwfmmFW8 OI= X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:PHSN26xeSws=:qq8BRRZUMz2yjKoqZgiEoK sBcplP+bgRw3icQYMueAWqUd6nKyADM7gd1kIsmQtxBdtg0wsTvr46bUVyN5T733XsZvcw/ED IkbfHqXQnKWw43H/chLNejUdUK3kWSvQ7ZUAfFbOU8nhQQrp3wLRCIBCpGmx6KKB/us+5uLtK 7xylpHlZHh0NplTVNnr0fTiEli47XrmlbMZ7JVNeHHKFAt081iD/xRYqBEI8xvn/WzHlJ7FLk /zO3ve+Z/q9TSwai/65MtOVd6Bs5705fQZRVCOZGQ49NnwrEe2KY8kJXuer7vuhT4TUL+XAe2 ynDAvzHFKuXZc0J7fj04QB59JQr/uBViNuxAPVUObCDj7pLvoR8gxlziUn35DbdPuFToezrwm uYPr4G79QLZK5vM0jm6UAhr9A8K0JqjxwVh2NRHYOeRb9KAEEZ3UUobiBBxIUm1hw5gwMmUOl CntsJUAKCw1d2PBsiea87WYmjGzs5BBz8XQPXglQyDH8Q/eckDlt+rUr7gEzPYzx0x7QDWH3C 70grbqgVU2Kh3OV3jutaXDQQlfsfWzqQPPztDXQFdZRe7iXAf2AuZdJBwISmTghuz8//n0xoF i2hrCqsejt4BnxFv2q33T2egWayCF3k15p0aBvg8h9nG7NMk/enIvIiUVnng76QpqlSREqx0Z Su65gngg7oRhOM1G6YttnIqm9Tm/fmjXBjsE5lfAqnKpyMIYJuLsQeTkcrHjztzKg31qkNs6u 0YUvVwSn1KAg79dqXAT8p7QD0QYt538ysaBiZuNghUqobw0gPOMi1nYHGSJR6Q3UAXEeATE8 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.17.20; envelope-from=dimech@gmx.com; helo=mout.gmx.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:140049 Archived-At: > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2022 at 12:42 PM > From: "Michael Heerdegen" > To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > Subject: Re: [External] : Re: Setting value 1 when matching two strings > > Heime writes: > > > Have gone through "An Introduction to Programming in Emacs Lisp" but c= annot > > assimilate all that. > > That's good. Nobody can assimilate that all at once. You can leave out > lots of things that are currently not important to you. > > > If there was some condensed article about important tools for the > > elisp programmer, and a crash course on how to use them, that would be > > very helpful. > > Dunno if that's possible. Depends too much on the background of the > reader. And there is a lot of important stuff to know. I doubt it fits > in a condensed article, and I doubt even more that you would write good > programs after reading that. It would be a trap. The manual is not > that long because the authors were bad, it's full of important things. > If you simplify, no matter where, you'll later regret it. Waste a lot > of time, and still have to read all of it. You are quite correct. What is needed is a tool that gives you a collecti= on of possible traverses of the manual for what you need, then goes on organi= sing them for you, and displays them. That would be the next emacs breakthroug= h. In many of the national labs, people don't bother organising things anymor= e. It will take more than a lifetime. Rather it is automated tools that trav= erse through all that. The problem is that one will miss a lot of things never= theless. So it is simply a matter of luck. Have found very few people willing to t= ake the time to understand the fundamental parts. > > What I did was look at the emacs website displaying everything on one > > web page. The Gnu Emacs Info Viewer, is that when you type "info" at > > the shell command line? > > The command line program "info" is a reader for the Info documentation > for the command line. Emacs has its own integrated and very nice Info > reader: type C-h i. > > Oh, now I see that you only read the introduction, not the Elisp > reference manual. I suggest to have a look at that one, too. > > Yeah sorry if we sometimes sound rude, but all shortcuts are traps, > _all_ - sorry. It's hard to defer what one actually wants to do and > read that boring stuff instead. I guess all of us tried some shortcuts. > We all wasted lots of time more or less. > > Michael.