Emacs website, Lisp, and other

[Christopher Dimech <dimech@gmx.com>]

> Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2024 at 7:27 PM
> From: "Emanuel Berg" <incal@dataswamp.org>
> To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: Emacs website, Lisp, and other
>
> Abraham S.A.H." via "Emacs development discussions. wrote:
> 
> >> Lisp is stronger at universities.
> >
> > Not in Asia!  I can't name a  university in Asia where Lisp
> > is taught. Lisp was never taught in our universities.  Not
> > in Asia and not in the Middle East.  Perhaps in Japan?
> 
> Emacs-w3m is from Japan <3
> 
> Seriously, I can't name any universities anywhere except mine
> but I can guarantee 100% that Lisp is stronger relatively in
> CS classes and the like than it is everywhere else.
> 
> Emacs and a few other important applications are written in
> Lisp (Emacs is partly written in Elisp), other than that Lisp
> is a hobby for some part of the computer elite.
> 
> >> In some instances the indented style and excessive use of
> >> () makes working with lisp code harder than
> >> other languages.
> >
> > Are you  sure?  I'm a Python  programmer and I don't 
> > think so.
> 
> I am sure. Edit something here in Lisp, you have to edit it
> somewhere else as well, often. This, in combination with the
> stacking of parenthesis that happens, has caused more syntax
> errors than I would like to know.
> 
> > My   father   basically    hates   whitespace   sensitive  
> > languages. Perhaps it's about taste difference?
> 
> No. Just think, remove this line in Lisp
> 
> some-item))
> 
> then you have to find the right place if that is to be removed
> as well. Not only that, you have to identify the right
> parenthesis and remove them and nothing else. When there are
> a lot, it is difficult to see.
> 
> I know there is matching, commands to automate, yada yada.
> But it is still much more difficult than just killing lines
> in Python.
> 
> As an example, have you ever had a syntax error when doing
> `let' in Elisp?
> 
> (let ((x 5)
>       (...))
>   ...)
> 
> Have you ever had a similar situation when doing x = 5
> in Python? Why not?
> 
> The Python syntax is ugly but for all practical purposes it is
> faster and less error prone, and much, much easier to maintain
> for other people or for you x years from now.

I know a few large university python projects that are almost impossible
to build from source.  So I do not contribute.  But its developers still
think they are some new kind of geniuses.  They can do everything except 
write code to standard expectations.  I call these people hacks of trivia.

https://docs.obspy.org/

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