From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Christopher Dimech Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Designing people and organization management for Emacs Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2020 15:52:20 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87zh2tdhdl.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="7293"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, Eric S Fraga To: Jean Louis Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 04 15:54:39 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1klCTm-0001nF-Je for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2020 15:54:38 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55106 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1klCTl-0000VW-Gf for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2020 09:54:37 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60118) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1klCSA-0000V9-Sk for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2020 09:52:59 -0500 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.22]:47645) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1klCS7-0005K2-Vt for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2020 09:52:58 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1607093540; bh=kBdzgKRh++ep36ooNDp9wVtdBzu8XpMppVlp0pW8BuI=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=XqaFwPVfHOqD7iId3PRxSAYUnGrJVOKAojH37p0e6VDY6WBpfhBDNoUZm5Hl03Jtq lhahiwcHckH2m4BimMCfELgVKL27E4OA+qXN0a/87OQtcS2D1CDY7IaKLE4td4ehmF jRjFGvPffmP+sY1K92ygEDFTkXzoOvKJUcu9dDoA= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Original-Received: from [213.165.168.94] ([213.165.168.94]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs11.server.lan [172.19.170.179]) (via HTTP); Fri, 4 Dec 2020 15:52:20 +0100 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:qWak6hJbC189p/IashN/j2K2CzFtbPqNHLuVMmlRY6rKllAT5Ka/M4PFX/Xs/mkBxGtPH 0w8T1BRJ+EsSFnRY8PcFLf5VNrbeUYTd7QqdK6RpKSTFBkDaR23zzpwJTrUZxtT+sqCrTKtgZX2V tED5Ov0C300WQKOZWWPcdHcGQH+6TrRb4X7f9ry9mxoDjGu4nwuYTsfS/lbzYHgqC+WveLGU/zr2 i4AP7o0fwvnBJuM9nUVme1n7YVBdZ+MNhcF2SElMn5IZASKJtNAeeJlM7Uv0Cf3RpETj8h3jQ42V qU= X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:sRcQS+EHSZg=:RefvbjxOB6l7d9LY1ulxMG GG4DQLTVa0CHcpqd+H9NvA0MlTQljjlJo/3Dxyf0SdS0oZH60GMowHhIWpSKq9aVgn9SptTFR JBM+77v5lp6/BENjwKRwPvaMVQggXvCgVunbmAjl7JkmZZHQzJ3+/uKXnxFEpeWZclA9E98LS HnwMXQKtmMRqQDPhTVsPwRVakKAd6xozVOTQRn77VmyDHGxwqpd4ts3IG3P0NoqgdxNal+ut7 yw1Go63MonV1AciYVRddFYXd8GCVs/QH01bZ8ubikyDz/kCAVlu2iOvsTjdaFQOe+jiPvWg+l Xz67mqmwHHjvTYO9x9U+AOaBILWkiMP7oxjJeIggqlbcD2oUim8JGkYRycoNOzgCrd31EJCD5 VRej9tDJoLgvSJPZdsk7fCqNtbjnvh+0AdmN7Ov79CT2Th6vw4aWZXbAoue/5AOtRr05BNhgf 887B0CqhzJ2heYuNY+BitbmKkK0QeQQlKVd3MsVOHuxmEhEfNYZm3ud45L1gUtqGygFjd6qLG 3TwOyG9N07k6YQziQFs3IyplVuhM6bPXApQ9Mj02FaolI39wsOFJHh1Ele7kfDGVi6HWei4Dp Ni9vKDLRsN91A= Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.17.22; envelope-from=dimech@gmx.com; helo=mout.gmx.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:125975 Archived-At: > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2020 at 2:38 PM > From: "Jean Louis" > To: "Eric S Fraga" > Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > Subject: Re: Designing people and organization management for Emacs > > * Eric S Fraga [2020-12-04 12:57]: > > Some people use org-contacts (can be found in the org contrib package) > > for this. I use bbdb. > > Yes. I was using text files and spreadsheets, bbdb. Before many years > I switched to database backed management of any data that is > structured. And no, org-contacts or BBDB cannot replace the power of > SQL databases. 204111 contacts are in my database each available at > few key presses related. What would happen for things were database model does not fit the data? > Contacts are related to "products", BBDB without much development > cannot provide easy relation to products. Related to "calls" where > none of available Emacs software can initiate calls or handle a call > center with track record when each customer have been called and > why. This is trivial with SQL. Relation to "cashaccounts" to track > financial transaction of each person. Or relation to "comments" to > track who commented on which other piece of information in a database > based Emacs. Or "contactskills" that one can make list of related to > recruitment and hiring of staff. Or "emails", where each email can be > related to contact ID and vice versa. Which "identity" belongs to > which contact? People use private and business identities and > integration of such is not easy. Sometimes by error email is sent from > private identity to business. "locations" are related to people, there > are places we record by using GPS and waypoints that have to be > remembered, "mailings" are sent to people and have to be remembered > which person received which email as not to repeat it. Then "notes", > "opportunities", "relations" to other people, "reminders", "invoices", > "sms" and so on. > > Many things may be rapidly developed in Emacs with database > backing. Database backed people and information management is > extremely useful. Quite correct. > I wish Emacs would have at least GDBM built in. Module will come to > GNU ELPA soon for PostgreSQL. Developers of it need help on how to > include it. > > When data is in the database it can be easily backed up, shared, > replicated in real time, multi user collaboration is built-in. Groups > of people may enter contacts, organizations, notes, tasks, manage > projects together, and work on separate distant computers while > collaborating on same database information. Much programming becomes > redundant or easy peasy as database has so many features very easy to > implement. > > Jean > >