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envelope-from=dimech@gmx.com; helo=mout.gmx.net X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:130474 Archived-At: > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2021 at 2:09 AM > From: "Arthur Miller" > To: "Christopher Dimech" > Cc: "help-gnu-emacs" , "Eduardo Ochs" , "Jean Louis" > Subject: Re: How users start programming in Emacs Lisp... > > Christopher Dimech writes: > > >> Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 11:43 PM > >> From: "Arthur Miller" > >> To: "Eduardo Ochs" > >> Cc: "Christopher Dimech" , "help-gnu-emacs" , "Jean Louis" > >> Subject: Re: How users start programming in Emacs Lisp... > >> > >> Eduardo Ochs writes: > >> > >> > On Sat, 29 May 2021 at 23:12, Christopher Dimech w= rote: > >> >> > >> >> > Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 10:37 AM > >> >> > From: "Jean Louis" > >> >> > To: "Christopher Dimech" > >> >> > Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > >> >> > Subject: How users start programming in Emacs Lisp... > >> >> > > >> >> > (...) > >> >> > > >> >> > *scratch* buffer is famous for it. > >> >> > > >> >> > I just need more of them but *scratch*, so I do it this way: > >> > > >> > > >> > Hi, just a curiosity... > >> > > >> > why do you prefer to use scratch buffers for elisp code instead of > >> > using (semi-scratch?) files in which we record all our experiments? > >> > > >> > In the tutorials of eev I try to convince the new users to treat th= eir > >> > notes and scratch code as "field notes", and save everything they > >> > can... one of my arguments is this: > >> > > >> > Learning eev is also like learning to use paper notebooks. It is > >> > much easier to understand the notes and ideas what we wrote > >> > ourselves in our notebooks than to understand what other people > >> > wrote in their notebooks... when we go back to what _we_ wrote we > >> > are able to reconnect with what we were thinking, even when our > >> > notes are quite terse because we did not write down all details - > >> > and we can't do that with other people's notes. > >> > >> I think you are probably correct about saving notes. Some vary famiou= s > >> scientists attribute almost everything to their notes. > > > > That is correct. Darwin and Fermi have done the same. But Stephen Ki= ng > > is famous for saying that notes are the best way to immortalise bad id= eas. > > How could we know good ideas if it wasn't for bad ones? > > King is probably correct, but 90% or more ideas people get are probably > bad, it is just that we remember the good ones (mostly :)). That was King's point, that you will forget them if you don't write them d= own. But then we had Darwin doing the opposite. During his two year trip, he o= nly took notes, and later developed his ideas from his notes and specimens aft= er his return to england. > Also, some > good ideas probably started as bad ideas. Socrates thought that writing > is a bad idea. He never wrote a single note. :-( > > > Really good ideas stick around. Today, I get to agree with King in re= spect > > to the experience with Fermi. But the same cannot be said about Darmi= n > > during his trips. > > > > Thusly, in point of fact, there are no good rules, but just what works= for you. > > That seems like a rule you are stating there? :) > >