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I did not ask Emacs for them, they were populated there somehow, and simply reported on their values. Was using "emacs27 -q" (--no-init-file) to debug some problem with some .el files I was working on. I agree with you that if the user insists, they should take effect. Although a remark would help a user think more about the options he uses. > There could be a place to warn the user that these colors mean low > contrast, when the user is about to save the changes. Would that be > good enough? That would be good enough. But the case of using "emacs -q" should impose good contrast by default. Some have suggested that it could have been the X Environment that set up the mode-line that way.