From: Christopher Dimech <dimech@gmx.com>
To: pietru@caramail.com
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Org Capture Menu cannot be fully viewed
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2020 10:24:07 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <trinity-0522a511-4fd1-4d84-9252-d3f0c831079f-1607851447189@3c-app-mailcom-bs09> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <trinity-ec53c4db-f70f-481a-b53d-9eea8b30f9ba-1607835432839@3c-app-mailcom-bs11>
Org Capture has the ability to get specific information
using "%:keyword" (e.g., for rmail one can use %:subject
to get the specific email subject).
An extension to "%:keyword", would be to allow the extraction of
keywords taken from recfiles, which are also text based.
You could then have %:Investigation_Type in Org-Capture entry.
There needs to be some way to specify the recfile.
The specification of recfiles is described by Gnu Recutils.
https://www.gnu.org/software/recutils/
----- file.rec -----
Investigation_Type: Historic Background Research Site Evaluation/Testing
----- file.rec -----
This could make easier capture because instead of
%^{prompt|default|completion2|completion3...}
you could have
%:Site_Type
The scheme would work very well if you have hierarchical
lists that you can use for specificity.
Domestic Structure > Settlement > Hamlet or Village
%:Domestic_Structure: %:Settlement\n
----- file.rec -----
Domestic_Structure: Settlement
Settlement: Hamlet or Village
----- file.rec -----
rather than using
"Site_Type: %^{Site_Type: |default|
+ Domestic Structure or Architectural Complex|
+ Resource Extraction or Production|
+ Transportation Structure or Features|
+ Funerary and Burial Structures or Features|
+ Non-Domestic Structures|
+ Archaeological Feature|
+ Rock Art|
+ Water-Related}\n%?"
> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2020 at 5:57 AM
> From: pietru@caramail.com
> To: "TRS-80" <lists.trs-80@isnotmyreal.name>
> Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: Org Capture Menu cannot be fully viewed
>
> > If you care to share a slightly bigger picture view, particularly about
> > the structure of the data you are trying to capture (and/or, your
> > workflow) we could likely come up with something that would work much
> > better for you than a capture template, at least in this particular
> > case.
>
> Most agencies, universities, museums and archaeological organizations use
> standard forms for recording sites. Generally speaking these are used but
> with a couple of caveats. First, there are occasions when a standard form
> may not call for recording enough data or the right kinds of data to satisfy
> particular needs. Then there are Exclusive Surveys (Incomplete coverage,
> portions of the project are excluded) and Unsystematic Surveys (done without
> a specific plan, methods at varied level of intensity; coverage random,
> opportunistic, or intuitive). In many instances, previous work would have
> been done, so people would want to quickly skip entries.
>
> The plan for Org-Mode Capture is primarily for such Exclusive and Unsystematic Surveys
> where we do not necessarily use standard forms. I'm not sure if you capture the drift
> concerning unsystematic surveys. Most times I cannot tell you exactly what people in
> the field came up with. The pace can be rapid and some could be working in challenging
> conditions. The plan is for the Crew Chief to make a quick template, and which could
> change each day. maintain and review notebooks and records and overseeing quality
> control is done daily. It is customary to split the day. One of the best ways we
> improve survey efficiency is to anticipate bottlenecks and invent creative logistical
> solutions right in the field.
>
> The long template situation then occurs. You can access better than myself as you
> know what org and org-capture can do and what not. I briefly reported on what we
> found problematic in practice. But we're at the beginning of this, and would
> likely report on other things as we progress. Still, most things are likely
> to be done by the "Institute for Technologies applied to Cultural Heritage (itabc)".
>
> Nevertheless, we see some aspects where your scheme can be improved to cater for more
> serious work. Emacs is quite good software.
>
> Hope my comments helped somewhat.
>
> Pietru
>
>
>
>
>
> > Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2020 at 4:16 AM
> > From: "TRS-80" <lists.trs-80@isnotmyreal.name>
> > To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> > Subject: Re: Org Capture Menu cannot be fully viewed
> >
> > On 2020-12-12 21:08, pietru@caramail.com wrote:
> > > Here is one version of a template
> > >
> > > (setq capture-template-investigation-type '(
> > >
> > > ("a" "Historic Background Research Site Evaluation/Testing" entry
> > > (file "~/histr/archaeol.org")
> > > "* Site_Type: %?\n %T\n")
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > ("u" "Remote Sensing" entry
> > > (file "~/histr/archaeol.org")
> > > "* Site_Type: %?\n %T\n") ))
> > >
> >
> > Are there any more to these templates you did not show?
> >
> > Because, (and unless I am missing something) what I see are essentially
> > all the same (and quite simple). You would end up with something like
> > the following in your target file (with the cursor ending up at the x):
>
> > #+begin_example
> >
> > * Site_Type: x
> > [2020-12-12 Sat 21:58]
> >
> > #+end_example
> >
> > In fact I don't even see where the type name ends up in the result?
> >
> > If all my assumptions above are true, I think you would probably be
> > better served with a simple completing-read (or similar) function to
> > select the "Investigation Type" from a list and then simply insert that
> > along with a timestamp. Which it will take you longer to reply to this
> > email and confirm than it would take me to write such a function. :)
> >
> > Benefit of that way also removes possibility of typos in the type name.
> >
> > In fact, the above could even be done with something as simple as
> > Yankpad[0].
> >
> > I have no idea what your workflow looks like, or where this data ends
> > up. However, thinking further, I would imagine it might even be helpful
> > to set one or more Org properties[1] for things like "Investigation
> > Type" (along with some other things I could speculate like "Location"
> > etc.). But all of that depends on even more things I don't know about.
> >
> > If you care to share a slightly bigger picture view, particularly about
> > the structure of the data you are trying to capture (and/or, your
> > workflow) we could likely come up with something that would work much
> > better for you than a capture template, at least in this particular
> > case.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > TRS-80
> >
> > [0] https://github.com/Kungsgeten/yankpad
> > [1] https://orgmode.org/manual/Properties-and-Columns.html
> >
> >
>
>
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Christopher Dimech
General Administrator - Naiad Informatics - GNU Project (Geocomputation)
- Geophysical Simulation
- Geological Subsurface Mapping
- Disaster Preparedness and Mitigation
- Natural Resource Exploration and Production
- Free Software Advocacy
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Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-12-12 18:02 Org Capture Menu cannot be fully viewed pietru
2020-12-12 20:57 ` bug#45215: " pietru
2020-12-12 22:09 ` TRS-80
2020-12-12 22:46 ` pietru
2020-12-12 23:13 ` TRS-80
2020-12-12 23:30 ` pietru
2020-12-13 0:00 ` TRS-80
2020-12-13 0:10 ` pietru
2020-12-13 11:06 ` Jean Louis
2020-12-13 18:28 ` pietru
2020-12-13 20:37 ` Jean Louis
2020-12-13 20:52 ` TRS-80
2020-12-13 21:02 ` pietru
2020-12-13 21:48 ` Jean Louis
2020-12-13 22:08 ` pietru
2020-12-13 22:20 ` pietru
2020-12-13 22:00 ` TRS-80
2020-12-13 22:36 ` pietru
2020-12-13 20:32 ` TEC
2020-12-13 21:43 ` Jean Louis
2020-12-13 0:46 ` Tim Cross
2020-12-13 1:32 ` pietru
2020-12-13 2:08 ` pietru
2020-12-13 3:16 ` TRS-80
2020-12-13 3:49 ` pietru
2020-12-13 4:30 ` TRS-80
2020-12-13 9:58 ` pietru
2020-12-13 16:52 ` Jean Louis
2020-12-13 10:24 ` Jean Louis
2020-12-13 18:41 ` pietru
2020-12-13 20:48 ` TRS-80
2020-12-13 4:57 ` pietru
2020-12-13 9:24 ` Christopher Dimech [this message]
2020-12-13 23:08 ` TRS-80
2020-12-14 0:04 ` pietru
2020-12-13 9:44 ` Jean Louis
2020-12-13 18:46 ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-16 18:46 ` No Wayman
2020-12-16 16:58 ` No Wayman
2020-12-13 15:12 ` Jean Louis
2020-12-13 18:08 ` pietru
2020-12-13 20:06 ` Tim Cross
2020-12-13 21:37 ` pietru
2020-12-13 21:57 ` Bastien
2020-12-13 22:31 ` pietru
2020-12-13 23:30 ` Jean Louis
2020-12-13 23:52 ` Bastien
2020-12-13 22:34 ` Jean Louis
2020-12-14 12:41 ` Marco Wahl
2020-12-14 13:00 ` pietru
2020-12-14 13:18 ` Marco Wahl
2020-12-14 20:02 ` Org Capture Menu cannot be fully viewed - Results of testing C-n, C-p, C-v pietru
2020-12-16 21:46 ` Marco Wahl
2020-12-16 23:25 ` pietru
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