From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Christopher Dimech Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Don't think Emacs package may be proprietary Date: Sun, 23 May 2021 16:31:54 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87a6om1022.fsf@zoho.eu> <871r9x25l8.fsf@zoho.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="21038"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, moasenwood@zoho.eu To: Jean Louis Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun May 23 16:33:07 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lkpAA-0005Fx-Kn for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 23 May 2021 16:33:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48830 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lkpA9-0002nj-Nc for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 23 May 2021 10:33:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53142) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lkp9a-0002cO-3Q for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 23 May 2021 10:32:30 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.19]:56927) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lkp9X-0003ay-Pu for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 23 May 2021 10:32:29 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1621780315; bh=wxlFOeRjlLrADKogB7vQOI1WBPf8PZmVwhbHGJ0JzZo=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=DvkrCpCbuwmdHJTv7tHuUswiBFovebNsD7ZFqLpTJJ/k/JiXFXIBMWERF+04E+sS9 3RL3I0UdhlRLi41yRtlTJYibL0ZNNQwd4DG/6vrvD8noGMFtYChvD0+3WbDsAtVHWs 1Cwvw+iU2wMi1IeS/7ygh9H4Y4/reUcDlPWLr1N4= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Original-Received: from [213.165.168.94] ([213.165.168.94]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs09.server.lan [172.19.170.177]) (via HTTP); Sun, 23 May 2021 16:31:54 +0200 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:8oAN7TsSKcaIx/4D+Ai/kdCtk8mWYXJrIGxq6/Yo1WtAZkA7h6BZNq6g5/LC6bC5Q0hfl 27o/1TGNGFG/ASs1z4J52U33wwlK1WiiZ0xeeMezPO2W7UExxuLYbrYyNHurCcNNC8UaNuGYzyF6 tk4y0BPXUbBydIQv1ix0gIHessTYIdWwkxvBJ4fAVpz+NCV3TE7uEGHBuGZbVD1EL7RCKviTPNQO WaB8feYd7puETCSa8ZhVcSfmkIP/XFZWpHwJENVowYBbIm1hLk/1Ef+Y7TIHFSRRBUad/4FSp0Kd 1E= X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:cAC/T/YxYGM=:G1m+gL4PP6QBVBzCS80DOH mPPgaoKjx6XBJ11VRFPmEaHBIKkPpccXQbnmLsINBppIBDSBZtgYfbCyn8cqTKC04T9tYA5ZE BQeh33lUfJtUl1QjfSqRKtEpjBQssmKObJ4rPRBupo1oIUj45+n88SR3FDYzttL0ws7FDpAdZ K8C95BEWwR+1l8s6EfJN65YZQLbEInsZ1dGNG+P/aTGLlfbQxzNVhT2kyOtX2fYTIpc0Fj9ij SxCcQaJ+ZEaoSZeBohGkOLshqiYNgXg1dNcWbtDshR/sM/oAOv0jobSK+mAkJXGs6/vDxt15+ geFdZT4lQYrLt4akj+wNlteMxj2SXsTk7jU94M6XPEAd6g0sKGgXXgeEMG+zKNIk9TDQXWlv/ 4b4fmBzs7eXNCbZqGxlpU33GqvOnV9HBaEqbo4Bs/rnMIVfSsnICxGjKfIqFNO1SQdsCnOsC1 BkbpidU/T0H3QOUV/q9rKwNhXrnzQFhvajtzBEojmz/lvLRdMe4J21OFoj/wLPxfkdxE9lPjm 2CtaD0R4hMQ3ie62PqSb3FoyhPtEpamK5LPwAxuMk/WKeS3FcwVruRSFBH/SlnYiFtjVydR/P SLD9yEfkZwzx3vzC6u6+ZlTQdZLCwYszwspy52Ylb74yV32H2iNTupn2RKMKLI2ZMH1byLd4k 4YjCEEL3fjLwZXMHm1R1n9RzdzDzUad1aph//Y5gvwRsHUflbLGFV5T/7VGZ2VDFe2aQfmL3X Bm9DLVHZJh+e9s4F10GkYVGy3/elOxRPeZK8DW2zofAIfXRNUbg5L7JfcBBB2k2//F2LfsU8 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.15.19; envelope-from=dimech@gmx.com; helo=mout.gmx.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:130136 Archived-At: > Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 at 2:03 AM > From: "Jean Louis" > To: "Christopher Dimech" > Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, moasenwood@zoho.eu > Subject: Re: Don't think Emacs package may be proprietary > > * Christopher Dimech [2021-05-23 16:54]: > > I can make an proprietary emacs package without using any free > > software. > > Of course you can make. We talk hypothetically. You can practically > make it and in that case it is violation of GPL3+. If you don't use any code released under the GPL, you will not be violatin= g the GPL. Using emacs does not stop you from calling some functionality released und= er a proprietary license. > > I just cannot use code released with a free software license. > > That I don't understand. Suppose I write a major mode under the Code Project Open License or the NA= SA Open Source Agreement (two terrible licenses) and include some code from org-mode. Yo= u cannot do that because that would be a violation of the GPL. Otherwise, you can write yo= ur own code and distribute it under the aforementioned proprietary licenses. Then use ema= cs and include the file implementing the major mode file. There would be no violation. > > > They cannot sell it, or in any way release to public as license does > > > not allows it. > > > > > > Emacs package modifies Emacs and requires Emacs to run and thus > > > creates modified version of Emacs and has to be GPL3+ > > > compatible. Emacs package with Emacs editor make a combined > > > program. > > > > My statement is quite different. Having emacs cater to proprietary > > users is a poor decision. But people can do what they want. > > I don't know what means "proprietary users" and to cater for them. > > > -- > Jean > > Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: > https://www.fsf.org/campaigns > > Sign an open letter in support of Richard M. Stallman > https://stallmansupport.org/ >